BREAKING NEWS: Malaysia Airlines Says It Has Lost Contact With A Flight

[Clubhouse]

Chinese families clash with police, slam Malaysia over lost plane, China government wants evidence.


Dozens of angry relatives of passengers on a lost Malaysian jetliner clashed with police in Beijing on Tuesday, accusing the Southeast Asian country of "delays and deception" a day after it confirmed the plane crashed in remote seas off Australia.



About 20 to 30 protesters threw water bottles at the Malaysian embassy and tried to storm the building, demanding to meet the ambassador, witnesses said. Earlier, the relatives, many with tear-stained faces, had linked arms and chanted "Malaysian government has cheated us" and "Malaysia, return our relatives" as they marched peacefully and held banners.



The relatives' grief and anger was unleashed on Monday night after Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak announced that Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370, which vanished more than two weeks ago while flying to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur, had crashed in the southern Indian Ocean.



Citing satellite-data analysis by British firm Inmarsat, he said there was now no doubt that the Boeing jet came down in the ocean in one of the most remote places on Earth - an implicit admission that all 239 people on board had died.



Bad weather in the region far off Australia's western coast on Tuesday forced the suspension of the search for any wreckage, just as a series of satellite images and other sightings of floating objects had raised hopes that debris from the plane would be found.



Malaysia's confused initial response to the Boeing 777's disappearance and a perception of poor communications has enraged many relatives of the more than 150 Chinese passengers and strained ties between Beijing and Kuala Lumpur.



After Najib's announcement, Chinese Deputy Foreign Minister Xie Hangsheng demanded Malaysia hand over all relevant satellite analysis showing how Malaysia had reached its conclusion about the fate of the jet.



COSTLY, DIFFICULT INVESTIGATION



Najib's announcement opens the way for what will be one of the most costly and difficult air crash investigations ever. Normally, an official investigation can only begin once a crash site has been identified. That would give Malaysia power to coordinate and sift evidence.



A government source told Reuters that Malaysia would lead the investigation, but hoped other countries, especially Australia, would play a major role.



The United States said it was sending an undersea Navy drone to Australia, in addition to a high-tech black box detector, to help in the search.



The so-called black boxes - the cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder - record what happens during flight. Black boxes carry locator beacons but they fade out after 30 days.



Najib said Inmarsat had performed further calculations on data gleaned from faint pings picked up by satellite that initially only narrowed the search area to two massive arcs.



That was not enough for some of the relatives. "There was no evidence," a protester at the Malaysian Embassy surnamed Wang told Reuters. "It was just based on analysis from the satellite data and nothing found. Why would we believe it?"


Reuters

[ak74]

Originally Posted by Clubhouse

Chinese families clash with police, slam Malaysia over lost plane, China government wants evidence.


Dozens of angry relatives of passengers on a lost Malaysian jetliner clashed with police in Beijing on Tuesday, accusing the Southeast Asian country of "delays and deception" a day after it confirmed the plane crashed in remote seas off Australia.



About 20 to 30 protesters threw water bottles at the Malaysian embassy and tried to storm the building, demanding to meet the ambassador, witnesses said. Earlier, the relatives, many with tear-stained faces, had linked arms and chanted "Malaysian government has cheated us" and "Malaysia, return our relatives" as they marched peacefully and held banners.



The relatives' grief and anger was unleashed on Monday night after Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak announced that Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370, which vanished more than two weeks ago while flying to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur, had crashed in the southern Indian Ocean.



Citing satellite-data analysis by British firm Inmarsat, he said there was now no doubt that the Boeing jet came down in the ocean in one of the most remote places on Earth - an implicit admission that all 239 people on board had died.



Bad weather in the region far off Australia's western coast on Tuesday forced the suspension of the search for any wreckage, just as a series of satellite images and other sightings of floating objects had raised hopes that debris from the plane would be found.



Malaysia's confused initial response to the Boeing 777's disappearance and a perception of poor communications has enraged many relatives of the more than 150 Chinese passengers and strained ties between Beijing and Kuala Lumpur.



After Najib's announcement, Chinese Deputy Foreign Minister Xie Hangsheng demanded Malaysia hand over all relevant satellite analysis showing how Malaysia had reached its conclusion about the fate of the jet.



COSTLY, DIFFICULT INVESTIGATION



Najib's announcement opens the way for what will be one of the most costly and difficult air crash investigations ever. Normally, an official investigation can only begin once a crash site has been identified. That would give Malaysia power to coordinate and sift evidence.



A government source told Reuters that Malaysia would lead the investigation, but hoped other countries, especially Australia, would play a major role.



The United States said it was sending an undersea Navy drone to Australia, in addition to a high-tech black box detector, to help in the search.



The so-called black boxes - the cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder - record what happens during flight. Black boxes carry locator beacons but they fade out after 30 days.



Najib said Inmarsat had performed further calculations on data gleaned from faint pings picked up by satellite that initially only narrowed the search area to two massive arcs.



That was not enough for some of the relatives. "There was no evidence," a protester at the Malaysian Embassy surnamed Wang told Reuters. "It was just based on analysis from the satellite data and nothing found. Why would we believe it?"


Reuters

like they would be really kicking off if it was an Air China plane that had crashed,,

loads have been killed on planes belly flopping in China,, don,t see them familys protesting

[Clubhouse]

Originally Posted by Kelseecat65

I still think the pilot was on a mission....and it was not mechanical issues, but done on purpose. Hopefully they will find something with these underwater sonar robots the U.S. is sending.

http://news.usni.org/2014/03/24/u-s-...ysian-airliner

Hopefully, they really do need the black box beacon though (13 days or so left)..Its a vast area to search and there will be a lot of false leads given the number of sunken ships and debris that's carried to that part of the ocean...And its the roaring forties in the area..Sea force 7 is very common there so search times will be restricted.

[ices]

Stupid fucking chinese and their "outrage".

Cant get any more xenophobic than the chinese unless you're a Jap or African. They hate Malaysia with a passion and to say this coverup is an outrage?

How about the cultural revolution? Or that train which crashed and then buried?

CHinese and their "outrage"..fucking really?

[ak74]

Originally Posted by ices

Stupid fucking chinese and their "outrage".

Cant get any more xenophobic than the chinese unless you're a Jap or African. They hate Malaysia with a passion and to say this coverup is an outrage?

How about the cultural revolution? Or that train which crashed and then buried?

CHinese and their "outrage"..fucking really?

Thai are the most xenophobic in the world

[gatagato]

Getting crazier and crazier now, i had some doubts, though...

China casts doubt on Malaysia’s claims that MH370 plunged into the ocean

IT was always declared an inexact science albeit using the latest technology.

But the analysis of a wavelength that travelled between Earth and an orbiting satellite 35,800km away that concluded Flight MH-370 crashed into the Indian Ocean is now being challenged by Chinese authorities.

East London-based satellite firm Inmarsat made the unlikely breakthrough that redirected searchers for the lost Malaysian Airline to the Southern hemisphere and yesterday prompted Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak to confirm the plane had crashed.

But it is now being challenged to explain their findings by Chinese authorities that today demanded the records turned over by Malaysian authorities to ascertain for themselves the fate of their 153 Chinese nationals among the 239 on-board MH370.

Chinese President Xi Jinping ordered a special envoy Vice Foreign Minister Zhang Yesui to Kuala Lumpur to secure first-hand analysis while deputy Foreign Minister Xie Hangshend ordered Malaysia’s ambassador to China to establish what it was that led to Mr Najib making the declaration the plane had crashed in the Indian Ocean.

The airline’s boss Mohammed Nor Mohammed Yusof said today it was a “rational deduction”.

Inmarsat — short for International Maritime Satellite Organisation — and Malaysian authorities are also being asked to explain why there was an apparent delay in the information being passed to searchers some four days after the plane disappeared on March 8.

Inmarsat was set up in 1979 as a non-profit initiative by the International Maritime Organisation to help with ship-to-shore communications and to make calls for help no matter how remote their location. It quickly became a market leader in satellite technology.

In 1993 it moved to the so-called “Silicon Roundabout” tech park in East London and

In 1999 became Britain’s first intergovernmental organisation to transform into a private company and has since floated on the London Stock Exchange. It has since grown to have a presence in 60 countries, including Australia, offering global sitcom solutions. Specifically, it provides high-speed mobile data to government, military and companies for land sea and air operations and counts the US Government as a customer.

But it was in this tech park location in east London that on giant screens in the company’s operation room analysts track 11 satellites in geostationary orbit one of which they used to predict MH370’s location along its last known corridor.

While the aircraft’s data transmission system was turned off a second system that cannot be switched off while the aircraft has power continued to send out a “ping” to satellites once every hour.

It was these pings — also known as “handshakes” — that showed the plane continued to travel for six hours after radio contact was lost and variations in the wavelength did not provide a location but a prediction it flew along either a north or south curved corridor. From the final turn it was deduced the plane probably crashed at the end of the southern arc, hence the location in the Indian Ocean. The technique is based on the “Doppler Effect” which describes how a wavelength changes frequency relative to the movement of an observer, in this case the satellite. The Doppler effect is why the sound of a police car appears to change as it approaches then passes an observer.

Firm senior external affairs vice president Chris McLaughlin said the prediction was refined by comparison with pings from normal flights and assumptions made about the aircraft’s speed. Inmarsat’s data was then sent to members of UK’s space industry for peer review. Its data was shared with Swiss aviation IT company Sita but for reasons that are not clear were not passed to Malaysian investigators until March 12. It was another six days before Australian authorities announced the search was being narrowed to a patch in the southern Indian Ocean.

Inmarsat will later this year deploy three new satellites that will offer the world’s first global, high-quality mobile broadband service.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel...-1226864853547

I'm not a China fan, but according to the informations released so far, they're right:
basically malysian authorities said "since the military radars (secondary) located in the northern corridor didn't spot a fuck, it must have headed towards south, and ASSuming that it kept travelling a "X" speed, then it ended up somewhere here (more or less, see image below), and since there's nowhere to land there, it obviously crashed into the ocean. Our condolences to the families of the victims etcetera.


Yes, it's a "rational deduction", also strengthened by the photos of some debris taken from satellites belonging to three different countries (CHINA included) in the area (well, the french one spotted possible debris 530 miles north of the current search area, not exactly the same thing)
but it's far away from PROVING that the plane crashed, much less that it crashed there.
I swear i hope to be wrong, if they find the debris (and black boxes) then they'll ease the pain of the relatives of the victims for sure, but NOT in this way, as it's simply unacceptable, since Malaysia is guilty at least for spreading lies after lies, since day #1.

Malaysia Airlines' chief executive, Ahmad Jauhari Yahya initially said air traffic control was in contact with the aircraft two hours into the flight when in fact last contact with air traffic control was less than an hour after takeoff.

-Malaysian authorities initially reported that four passengers used stolen passports to board the aircraft before settling on two – one Italian and one Austrian.

-Malaysia abruptly widened the search area to the west on 9 March, and only later explained that military radar had detected the aircraft turning back. This was later formally denied by Rodzali Daud.

-Malaysian authorities visited the homes of pilot Zaharie and co-pilot Fariq on 15 March, during which they took away a flight simulator belonging to Zaharie. Malaysian police chief Khalid Abu Bakar said this was the first police visit to those homes. On 17 March, the government contradicted this by saying police first visited the pilots' homes the day following the flight's disappearance, although this had been previously denied.

-On 16 March, Malaysia's acting transport minister contradicted the prime minister's account on the timing of the final data and communications received. Najib Razak said that the ACARS system was switched off at 01:07, while Hishammuddin said that the last ACARS transmission was received at 01:07, and the transmission expected at 01:37 was missed.

Three days after saying that the aircraft was not transporting anything hazardous, Malaysia Airlines' chief executive Ahmad said that potentially dangerous lithium batteries were on board.

They've left crews of dozens of planes and ships countries waste their time and money in SAR in the WRONG area in order to protect their secrets (as if anybody would give a fuck, It's almost like they don't exist), and NOW they pretend to be taken seriously?

[Pyramid_Head]

I think it will be funny in a sick way if it turns out not to be the plane. Then the officials will have to apologies about that fuck up.

[TwistedSisterr]

im still pissed, i cant even come on this thread without gettin mad
I wish somebody would just go in there, knock the shit out of everyone and get the info and find the fucking plane, enough bullshit theories and lies, red flags and broken hearts, media n the govt....shut the fuck up til its CONFIRMED, and give it to somebody COMPETENT

[Clubhouse]

There are rumours that a friend of the Captain has told a Malaysian newspaper reporter that his wife had told him she was leaving him hours before the flight and the guy was very distressed.

[Clubhouse]

And I know here the Inmarsat spokesman said they had done about years research in 2 weeks to come up with this new method of tracking.