Australia Raids Over 'Islamic State Plot to Behead'

[Pigeon]

Originally Posted by Blewvane

I hate to say it but maybe it needs to happen. Being angry doesn't give someone the right to target the innocent and if muslim men don't understand this basic principal then they need to be identified and permanently removed from society.
We allowed muslims into out country, we accepted them into the communtiy, gave them a relatively safe place to live where they could raise their children in peace.
What did we get in return? They brought their problems with them, they didn't integrate into our society and formed their own communities, they allow radical clerics to spread poisonous ideas, they are progressively having our laws changed in their favour, and they are not respectful of our way of life.
If the peaceful majority of muslims want to be accepted here then it is up to them to earn our trust and assist our police to identify violent troublemakers. Or they could deal with the undesirable elements in their community themselves, that would go a long way to showing us they are worthy of being part of Australian society.

I know what you mean, but I don't think responding in kind will help. The extremists will take it as a formal declaration of war and the moderates will be targeted, become alienated and relate to the extremists. The whole point is that this shouldn't be a society where violence rules at all. Like during the Cronulla riots, women wearing hijabs were threatened with rape. It's not only completely wrong but missed the whole point.

[azdesertsnake01]

Originally Posted by Blewvane

Are you insinuating that our police force is arresting random innocent law abiding citizens?

Lol, oh no. By no means would the police or government every arrest or convict someone who is innocent. Yeah right! Just do an internet search on that subject.

If you mean in this case specifically, I don't know. No one really does. But as you can see on here, there are plenty of people that think they do. Cause it wuz on da nuws!

The real story is probably far from what you are hearing. I've been a member of a motorcycle club and rode with some that most people know by name.

I know from that experience for instance that under Rico or anti terrorism laws, they can arrest dozens for the crime of one. I won't explain that any deeper, but that's a long subject on it's own.

They manufacture evidence and even caused wars between clubs. So what do you REALLY think they are capable of doing when it comes to getting support for an international war?

All I'm saying is don't believe everything you hear in the media and ANY government is capable of doing anything. Anyone who doesn't believe that is delusional.

I am saying I have BEEN IN THE COURT ROOM myself and witnessed people get prison terms even when the prosecutions witnesses who were federal agents wound up being better witnesses for the defense than the prosecution.

Afterwards, almost all of the media manufactured a story that literally did not happen. I didn't dream the shit, I was there.

There is nothing any thumb sucking media believer can say takes that away from me. Call it traumatized or whatever the fuck one wants to call it, but it changes the way you look at things. You are NEVER again so quick to believe the media when they report shit.

[Nite]

Originally Posted by Pigeon

I know what you mean, but I don't think responding in kind will help. The extremists will take it as a formal declaration of war and the moderates will be targeted, become alienated and relate to the extremists. The whole point is that this shouldn't be a society where violence rules at all. Like during the Cronulla riots, women wearing hijabs were threatened with rape. It's not only completely wrong but missed the whole point.

Yeah, what moderates? Where is the outcry from them when the extremists or fundamentalists if you prefer carry out an act of terrorism?
Why aren't they controlling their faith from within?
More importantly why can't they take a joke either? Miserable fuckers they are, they need to have a laugh occasionally

[Blewvane]

Originally Posted by Pigeon

I know what you mean, but I don't think responding in kind will help. The extremists will take it as a formal declaration of war and the moderates will be targeted, become alienated and relate to the extremists. The whole point is that this shouldn't be a society where violence rules at all. Like during the Cronulla riots, women wearing hijabs were threatened with rape. It's not only completely wrong but missed the whole point.

I agree completely that violence shouldn't be accepted by Australian society, but i also feel that enough is enough and something needs to be done about the extremists and middle eastern gangs. If our government won't initiate a more thorough screening process for new immigrants, allow police more powers to catch violent offenders and terrorist supporters, or force the courts to give tougher sentences, then something else has to happen.
I was born here and am tired of being worried about this issue. Either the government and police put a full stop to it, or us normal law abiding Australian citizens will be forced to take the law into our own hands.
The time for being afraid of these terrorist scum is over.

[azdesertsnake01]

Originally Posted by Lion-hearted Girl

No, they did state that they intercepted an instruction to commit "demonstration killings" in Australia. If that's not a specific threat then I don't know what is

What are you saying, that Tony Abbott and Obama have cooked up a scheme to garner support for sending troops?

REALLY you guys? And you wonder why my responses are so long?
Ok due to people being confused in another thread as to who I was bitching at, this post is mostly pointed toward humanity and the public in general. But I try to answer some of your guys points here.

I'm saying it ranges from either being WAY OVERBLOWN to bullshit. Perhaps I am making one mistake here. I'm NOT JUST reading this article on the subject. There is more info than this out there.

And most people on here didn't go any further than the article here or what they heard on tv. So perhaps I was treating it as though other people on here know what I have read too. My mistake.

Like everything, it's a matter of where you get your news as to what they are saying. I get mine from MANY sources, but here's one from fox news for instance,

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/09...rrorism-raids/

I know thinking is hard for some people and they don't have an attention span long enough to remember a story this long and make sense of it. So for those who have that problem, let me help them to understand the story in short. (Yes, I'm a smart ass!)

It's hard to type this without laughing by the way.

Summary: An average of 66 officers per property for a total of 800 officers raided 12 properties and DETAINED 15 people. They are TRYING to charge ONE OF THEM!

Do we all know what DETAINED means kiddos? ANYONE can be detained for absolutely nothing. Which is obviously what they did. They were set free.

Let me help to break this down even further for everyone. It took an average of 53 officers per DETAINEE. As always police refuse to give any real details according to the story as of what the real threat was.

This was described by law enforcement as a "major counterterrorism operation" Lol. If that is major, I would hate to see what Australia would do if they had a real problem! Hopefully they will get this SINGLE conviction though huh?

Further help for people to understand,
And I'm wrong for saying this overblown or BS?

I'm NOT saying I support any islamists. As I PLAINLY stated in my reply that got a couple of people charged up on here. I can't stand them. We can burn every fucking koran starting now as far as I give a fuck. So let me be plain on that subject. As for the jihadists, fry their asses asap.

What I am saying is, don't believe everything you hear when it comes to the drumbeat of war. Why is it the public is stupid enough to believe the same fucking shit that was pulled on us before? It's the pure definition of insanity.

I want the jihadists to go down myself. But I just don't buy all of the propaganda and bullshit that goes with it. Sometimes I just wish the fucking governments would shut the fuck up and do what they are going to do. It's not like people really have a choice anyhow. They just placate the stupid masses with bullshit stories that are done by writers.

I feel like I'm surrounded by fucking zombies sometimes. Perhaps the zombie apocalypse has already happened. It came to us through tv and smart phones. Those who stay plugged in to those are getting dumber and more zombie like by the day.

[Pigeon]

8esteve reborn

[Lion-hearted Girl]

Originally Posted by azdesertsnake01

Lol, oh no. By no means would the police or government every arrest or convict someone who is innocent. Yeah right! Just do an internet search on that subject.

If you mean in this case specifically, I don't know. No one really does. But as you can see on here, there are plenty of people that think they do. Cause it wuz on da nuws!

The real story is probably far from what you are hearing. I've been a member of a motorcycle club and rode with some that most people know by name.

I know from that experience for instance that under Rico or anti terrorism laws, they can arrest dozens for the crime of one. I won't explain that any deeper, but that's a long subject on it's own.

They manufacture evidence and even caused wars between clubs. So what do you REALLY think they are capable of doing when it comes to getting support for an international war?

All I'm saying is don't believe everything you hear in the media and ANY government is capable of doing anything. Anyone who doesn't believe that is delusional.

I am saying I have BEEN IN THE COURT ROOM myself and witnessed people get prison terms even when the prosecutions witnesses who were federal agents wound up being better witnesses for the defense than the prosecution.

Afterwards, almost all of the media manufactured a story that literally did not happen. I didn't dream the shit, I was there.

There is nothing any thumb sucking media believer can say takes that away from me. Call it traumatized or whatever the fuck one wants to call it, but it changes the way you look at things. You are NEVER again so quick to believe the media when they report shit.

Nobody is saying the media should be taken as gospel, the statements have come from the government via press conference.

[Lion-hearted Girl]

Originally Posted by Blewvane

I agree completely that violence shouldn't be accepted by Australian society, but i also feel that enough is enough and something needs to be done about the extremists and middle eastern gangs. If our government won't initiate a more thorough screening process for new immigrants, allow police more powers to catch violent offenders and terrorist supporters, or force the courts to give tougher sentences, then something else has to happen.
I was born here and am tired of being worried about this issue. Either the government and police put a full stop to it, or us normal law abiding Australian citizens will be forced to take the law into our own hands.
The time for being afraid of these terrorist scum is over.

It's simple, they need their visas revoked if they allign themselves with these extremist groups. Deport them back home if they start shit here. Why is it so hard for my US citizen husband to get a permanent visa here, but these animals are threatening to behead us in the street and here they stay

[Lion-hearted Girl]

Originally Posted by azdesertsnake01

REALLY you guys? And you wonder why my responses are so long?
Ok due to people being confused in another thread as to who I was bitching at, this post is mostly pointed toward humanity and the public in general. But I try to answer some of your guys points here.

I'm saying it ranges from either being WAY OVERBLOWN to bullshit. Perhaps I am making one mistake here. I'm NOT JUST reading this article on the subject. There is more info than this out there.

And most people on here didn't go any further than the article here or what they heard on tv. So perhaps I was treating it as though other people on here know what I have read too. My mistake.

Like everything, it's a matter of where you get your news as to what they are saying. I get mine from MANY sources, but here's one from fox news for instance,

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/09...rrorism-raids/

I know thinking is hard for some people and they don't have an attention span long enough to remember a story this long and make sense of it. So for those who have that problem, let me help them to understand the story in short. (Yes, I'm a smart ass!)

It's hard to type this without laughing by the way.

Summary: An average of 66 officers per property for a total of 800 officers raided 12 properties and DETAINED 15 people. They are TRYING to charge ONE OF THEM!

Do we all know what DETAINED means kiddos? ANYONE can be detained for absolutely nothing. Which is obviously what they did. They were set free.

Let me help to break this down even further for everyone. It took an average of 53 officers per DETAINEE. As always police refuse to give any real details according to the story as of what the real threat was.

This was described by law enforcement as a "major counterterrorism operation" Lol. If that is major, I would hate to see what Australia would do if they had a real problem! Hopefully they will get this SINGLE conviction though huh?

Further help for people to understand,
And I'm wrong for saying this overblown or BS?

I'm NOT saying I support any islamists. As I PLAINLY stated in my reply that got a couple of people charged up on here. I can't stand them. We can burn every fucking koran starting now as far as I give a fuck. So let me be plain on that subject. As for the jihadists, fry their asses asap.

What I am saying is, don't believe everything you hear when it comes to the drumbeat of war. Why is it the public is stupid enough to believe the same fucking shit that was pulled on us before? It's the pure definition of insanity.

I want the jihadists to go down myself. But I just don't buy all of the propaganda and bullshit that goes with it. Sometimes I just wish the fucking governments would shut the fuck up and do what they are going to do. It's not like people really have a choice anyhow. They just placate the stupid masses with bullshit stories that are done by writers.

I feel like I'm surrounded by fucking zombies sometimes. Perhaps the zombie apocalypse has already happened. It came to us through tv and smart phones. Those who stay plugged in to those are getting dumber and more zombie like by the day.

I actually didn't even read this rant. I didn't even read the article in the original post. I read many news sources regularly and really don't feel like being told how stupid I am for not buying into ridiculous conspiracy theories.

[Blewvane]

Originally Posted by azdesertsnake01

Like everything, it's a matter of where you get your news as to what they are saying. I get mine from MANY sources, but here's one from fox news for instance,

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/09...rrorism-raids/

It's hard to type this without laughing by the way.

Summary: An average of 66 officers per property for a total of 800 officers raided 12 properties and DETAINED 15 people. They are TRYING to charge ONE OF THEM!

Do we all know what DETAINED means kiddos? ANYONE can be detained for absolutely nothing. Which is obviously what they did. They were set free.

Let me help to break this down even further for everyone. It took an average of 53 officers per DETAINEE. As always police refuse to give any real details according to the story as of what the real threat was.

This was described by law enforcement as a "major counterterrorism operation" Lol. If that is major, I would hate to see what Australia would do if they had a real problem! Hopefully they will get this SINGLE conviction though huh?

Only reason i shortened your post is that it was a tad epic, sorry.
Most of the raids were carried out in Western Sydney, that's where i live. I know what goes on here because i see it, and know the problems we have because i live it every day.

Now i'll correct you a bit. It wasn't 12 properties, it was at least 30 properties in NSW and QLD that were raided simultaneously (means at the same time). The total number of personel involved was not 800, but closer to 900. So that means an average of 30 per property which includes units from the Anti Terrorism & Security Group, Coordinated Response Group, Operations Group, Forensic Services Group, K9 unit, bomb disposal, intelligence and command personel, air unit, and the poor cunt that is responsible for getting the lunches.
There are a number of important events happening this weekend so it is my guess that police used this beheading threat as an excuse to further their other investigations as well like illegal firearms sales and posession, overseas money transfers to suspected terrorists, bomb production, the 5 stolen rocket launchers that have not been found yet, middle eastern gang activities, and others i can't thnk of at the moment. The raids have also given them access to financial records, phone conversations, computer hard drives just to name a few.
The only people moaning about the raids are muslims and their supporters, everyone else seems to be ok with it.
These are your words - This was described by law enforcement as a "major counterterrorism operation" Lol. If that is major, I would hate to see what Australia would do if they had a real problem! Were our police supposed to ignore the threats made? I think their actions were appropriate.

I have a good idea of what is going on in my own back yard but if you feel that you have information i don't know about then feel free to share it with me.