[jesse]

Originally Posted by minka1 ↗

Okay. Could it be that they paralyzed him?
I was watching true crime Australia and one serial killer would knife the victims in the spine to keep them from doing anything. Then he’d go on to rape, beat, torture, and finally murder them.
And that unnatural bending angle his neck is at, as well as his body...could that have possibly paralyzed him?

That is an excellent possibility. The spine is our life line. I think spine injuries can account for odd deaths we have seen here. Remember the police officer (I think) who was still talking and he had been cut in half? He had no idea he was vacant from the waist down.

I wouldn't want to know either.

[rhubarb_king]

Originally Posted by foxfantastic ↗

I wasn't. There are many videos on this website that show the head still emoting after being severed. In at least one ISIS video, the face had time to squint its eyes as the blood from the gaping neck poured all over it.

So...why would I be sarcastic about such a thing?

What I quoted you on was untrue. As soon as that artery loses pressure, the loss of consciousness is near instant. This is well documented. When unconscious, they have zero sense of balance - that sense is cut off when unconscious.

What you saw was more likely explained with contractions of muscles. If you've ever prepared a fresh steak (as in killed within the hour), you will likely see the steak gently morphing shapes. I'm not arguing that there is no brain function.

If you want to argue that they are alive, that depends on the definition of "death". We can't say it's no heartbeat because the brain keeps going, despite loss of conciousness.
We can't say it's loss of brain function or that would mean anyone in a deep coma is dead, but the body is living such that brain activity can start again.

But with the "what is the definition of dead?" question aside (which I do not know the answer to - that was not what I was quoting you on), there is no way they are conscious for any longer than single second (if that), when that artery is busted open during a beheading. Thus, they will not be conscious enough to have any control over muscles or have a sense of balance.

[foxfantastic]

Originally Posted by rhubarb_king ↗

What I quoted you on was untrue. As soon as that artery loses pressure, the loss of consciousness is near instant. This is well documented. When unconscious, they have zero sense of balance - that sense is cut off when unconscious.

What you saw was more likely explained with contractions of muscles. If you've ever prepared a fresh steak (as in killed within the hour), you will likely see the steak gently morphing shapes. I'm not arguing that there is no brain function.

If you want to argue that they are alive, that depends on the definition of "death". We can't say it's no heartbeat because the brain keeps going, despite loss of conciousness.
We can't say it's loss of brain function or that would mean anyone in a deep coma is dead, but the body is living such that brain activity can start again.

But with the "what is the definition of dead?" question aside (which I do not know the answer to - that was not what I was quoting you on), there is no way they are conscious for any longer than single second (if that), when that artery is busted open during a beheading. Thus, they will not be conscious enough to have any control over muscles or have a sense of balance.

Well, shit, I never said I possessed a medical degree. I only go based on what I can see in these videos .

[journey2xl]

Someone billcosbied the kid.......

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Originally Posted by rhubarb_king ↗

What I quoted you on was untrue. As soon as that artery loses pressure, the loss of consciousness is near instant. This is well documented. When unconscious, they have zero sense of balance - that sense is cut off when unconscious.

What you saw was more likely explained with contractions of muscles. If you've ever prepared a fresh steak (as in killed within the hour), you will likely see the steak gently morphing shapes. I'm not arguing that there is no brain function.

If you want to argue that they are alive, that depends on the definition of "death". We can't say it's no heartbeat because the brain keeps going, despite loss of conciousness.
We can't say it's loss of brain function or that would mean anyone in a deep coma is dead, but the body is living such that brain activity can start again.

But with the "what is the definition of dead?" question aside (which I do not know the answer to - that was not what I was quoting you on), there is no way they are conscious for any longer than single second (if that), when that artery is busted open during a beheading. Thus, they will not be conscious enough to have any control over muscles or have a sense of balance.

If you watched the video, you wouldn't be making this argument.

[Martano666]

Originally Posted by rhubarb_king ↗

What I quoted you on was untrue. As soon as that artery loses pressure, the loss of consciousness is near instant. This is well documented. When unconscious, they have zero sense of balance - that sense is cut off when unconscious.

What you saw was more likely explained with contractions of muscles. If you've ever prepared a fresh steak (as in killed within the hour), you will likely see the steak gently morphing shapes. I'm not arguing that there is no brain function.

If you want to argue that they are alive, that depends on the definition of "death". We can't say it's no heartbeat because the brain keeps going, despite loss of conciousness.
We can't say it's loss of brain function or that would mean anyone in a deep coma is dead, but the body is living such that brain activity can start again.

But with the "what is the definition of dead?" question aside (which I do not know the answer to - that was not what I was quoting you on), there is no way they are conscious for any longer than single second (if that), when that artery is busted open during a beheading. Thus, they will not be conscious enough to have any control over muscles or have a sense of balance.

Dude, you are just plain wrong. There are facial expressions expressing pain, and even eye movement following their killer's movements AFTER the head is fully severed in many videos on this site. Not to mention, videos of someone with their head 3/4 way severed and they are still trying to grab the knife and push the killer away. Sometimes they are unconscious immediately, and sometimes they are NOT unconscious until a few seconds after the head is removed. There is no denying it after watching the videos. It depends on oxygen levels in the brain.

[Heavy]

Originally Posted by Martano666 ↗

Dude, you are just plain wrong. There are facial expressions expressing pain, and even eye movement following their killer's movements AFTER the head is fully severed in many videos on this site. Not to mention, videos of someone with their head 3/4 way severed and they are still trying to grab the knife and push the killer away. Sometimes they are unconscious immediately, and sometimes they are NOT unconscious until a few seconds after the head is removed. There is no denying it after watching the videos. It depends on oxygen levels in the brain.

That’s a strong argument. I agree
I believe it was a French doctor after the revolution that was sentenced to death by the guillotine,who after collaborating with colleagues, vowed to blink his eyes as long as he could after the blade fell.
Wittiness’s counted fifteen, before he closed for good.

[Sugar³]

Originally Posted by Heavy ↗

That’s a strong argument. I agree
I believe it was a French doctor after the revolution that was sentenced to death by the guillotine,who after collaborating with colleagues, vowed to blink his eyes as long as he could after the blade fell.
Wittiness’s counted fifteen, before he closed for good.

I read that short report on the post-chop communication attempts a couple years ago--maybe the first thing I read here upon becoming a member, but I don't remember the chronicle of a doctor being decapitated in it. Was that something you read about elsewhere, or am I just misremembering it?

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Originally Posted by Dr Thrumpkinz ↗

I read that short report on the post-chop communication attempts a couple years ago--maybe the first thing I read here upon becoming a member, but I don't remember the chronicle of a doctor being decapitated in it. Was that something you read about elsewhere, or am I just misremembering it?

I'm sure he's talking about Levoisier (sp?) who was a scientist I believe. It's one of the handful of post-beheading stories leftover from the french guillotine era.

Those stories are probably pretty sketchy evidence at best, but super interesting.

I've seen at least 3 or 4 instances on here of situations where post-beheading life seems present; and a handful of ones where there were movements long after beheading that looked involuntary.

The beheading being discussed in here where the guy squints as his face hits the ground and his own blood slams him in the eye is the clearest most obvious one I've seen by far.

It's only matter of time before we see one where the camera is HD, it's focused properly on a face during and immediately after a quick beheading, IMO.

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Here's a screenshot from earlier in the same beheading; it's a clear shot of a face almost instantaneously after beheading, so it's the only for sure screenshot I've seen where consciousness is evident and probable: