[REVZZYBAN]

Originally Posted by ride ↗

OK, OK, all motorcyclists are not like that. The 2 percent make the remaining 98 percent of us look (and sound) bad. Frankly, I want many of them to meet their premature demise as well. I also want those bratty kids off my lawn and you to turn your damn music down. Now, please excuse me while I go eat my evening meal at 2pm.

But why do I HEAR that same percentage statement over and over because there sure is a large number of those 2% ers crotch rocketing out there.
And yes, I do have a murdercycle endorsement on the DL but aint ridden in 31 years.

[ride]

Originally Posted by REVZZYBAN ↗

But why do I HEAR that same percentage statement over and over because there sure is a large number of those 2% ers crotch rocketing out there.
And yes, I do have a murdercycle endorsement on the DL but aint ridden in 31 years.

Simple - most of the motorcyclists you see are just doing normal shit, and you just ignore them, or place very little value on their presence. They aren't a threat to your safety and their actions aren't a perceived impediment to your forward progress. They aren't even a blip on your personal radar.

Now, think about every idiot rider you've seen on the road doing idiot shit. It's amazing how their actions, even though relatively isolated in their frequency, overwhelm your perception of what all motorcyclists are doing. You may mutter "What a stupid fuck" under your breath. Instantly, your memory of all those riders doing the Right Thing get overwritten by that one idiot hucking up a freeway-speed wheelie, doing a burnout at a traffic light, weaving in and out of traffic at thirty-plus over the flow of traffic, etc.

We all do it. Doesn't matter what kind of motorcycle it is. It's a mental thing.

[REVZZYBAN]

^^ ummm. I’m a retired transportation safety director (trucking). Not much gets by my eyes.
I use extra precaution around motorcycles, trucks, construction zones, rain &poor weather, traffic congestion, night time driving.
But no, I don’t notice the law abiding motorcycles. So Not true. But I do agree that some people are in a fog when it comes to awareness of your surroundings and do not get complacent.

[ride]

Hey! We have a similar background. Retired Air Force Safety Superintendent and MSF Motorcycle Training Instructor here. The whole MSF core curricula was an adaptation of the Smith System from the trucking industry. Of course, it has evolved since those humble beginnings decades ago.

[ironmike]

Originally Posted by docfr8 ↗

The baffles are out on my exhaust.. Loud pipes do save lives... However, Im considerate for my neighbors especially when I roll out early in the AM or late in the PM.. I dont rev the motor like a douchebag

Doc, there is a young guy in our development who could learn from you. This dildo can't even wait until he's on the main road, he mad revs it from the moment he leaves his driveway. I don't wish a crash on him but I hope when/if he does fuck up he does it like our man in the video and just checks himself out.

[REVZZYBAN]

Originally Posted by docfr8 ↗

The baffles are out on my exhaust.. Loud pipes do save lives... However, Im considerate for my neighbors especially when I roll out early in the AM or late in the PM.. I dont rev the motor like a douchebag

Doc, that would be one of a very few “safety” advantage/benefit/arguments for no baffles. But for them to be a safety advantage then they would have to be screaming and that’s what we are bitching about. And if those pipes are screaming , wouldn’t the biker be speeding?
Bright colored reflective riding apparel, bright DOT helmet ( with reflective stripes) GLOVES, multiple alternating flashing lights (front & rear), LOUDASS HORNS,

I think a much better return on your investment. (YOUR LIFE)

But who am I, the REV.ZZYBAN to preach to your vast years of professional riding experience. Stay safe and ride free, my friend.

[ride]

I wasn't going to go there, but I feel I must...

Sound is often a pretty poor indicator of where something is. First, as the speed of sound is slower than our ability to sight a threat (or target, depending on what we're doing - either hunting or being hunted), we get a delayed alert that there is something we need to pay attention to. The further away something is, the more the delay between visually acquiring and the sound it makes.
Second, sound bounces off all manner of things, and the sound you hear may not be a reliable indicator of where the threat is or it's intended path. By the time a car driver hears a straight-piped bagger or high revving inline four sport bike, that sound has potentially echo'ed off many different surfaces. Where is that noise coming from? What is the next thing a car driver does when they hear a noise that is foreign to them? They start to look around to find the source.
Third, a motorcycle doesn't present a bona fide threat to drivers of larger vehicles. Even though a driver may not consciously think about being swaddled in a cocoon of safety equipment, they see a motorcycle - no matter how big or fast it is going - as a vehicle that doesn't necessarily place them in danger. The motorcycle and it's operator are put on the back burner of things that will cause the car driver harm - if they even see us at all. tTotal disregard. That is why three quarter of all car vs. motorcycle mishaps occur at intersections, when a car driver, usually making a turn, violates the motorcycle's right-of-way and straight path of travel.
Now, to be fair, the motorcycle operators reaction to a car turning in front of them is to usually do all the wrong things trying to avoid a crash - no front brake application, over apply the rear brake, and an attempt to [I]steer[I] the bike around the car instead of trying to countersteer, which is how a motorcycle changes direction above a walking pace. Often the untrained rider tries to combine those two actions into one, which is not advised - but a subject for another day, if anyone wants to hear it.

More sight-based and/or pro-active communication measures are needed between motorcycle operator and car driver. Non-verbal passive communication such as bright colored apparel, reflective material, headlights on bright - yes, during the daytime -, using turn signals, defensive lane position, flashing brake light, even a good-old fashioned hard (but very brief) staredown of a car driver can go a long way towards conveying a motorcyclist's presence and intentions. Besides, audible communication between a motorcyclist and a car driver has to compete with phones, stereos, a/c vents blowing, the car's own exhaust, and just plain driver inattentiveness.
I am not poo-pooing the "loud pipes save lives" theory of communication, but it is not the end-all-be-all of motorcycle survival. Personally, I would put it fairly low on the list of things I'm going to use to increase my survivability when riding.
Just saying.

[REVZZYBAN]

^^ Holy smoke, your hired. Very thorough.
Now if only every driver ,worldwide & licensed or not, were mandated to view a few of the -DR -high speed motorcycles crashes where the bike ends up firmly INSIDE the car. Attitudes (could) change.

[ride]

Originally Posted by REVZZYBAN ↗

^^ Holy smoke, your hired. Very thorough.
Now if only every driver ,worldwide & licensed or not, were mandated to view a few of the -DR -high speed motorcycles crashes where the bike ends up firmly INSIDE the car. Attitudes (could) change.

Thank you, sir. I'm happy the Ambien didn't cause my fingers to go all wonky. I coulda done it in bullet points, but it reads like an ass chewing if done under the fog of sleep aids.

[Madhatter13]

Anyone who rides like that on a bike on a residential street deserves to die IMO. Basically signing your death note.