[William May]

Originally Posted by jsmlove ↗

This is just you falling for the media narrative and brain-washing, my friend.

Do you know what police are called that don't wear uniforms? They're called "plainclothes policeman" and "undercover cops". Ever heard of them? They've been in existence long before Trump ever took office. They don't wear badges and uniforms for a reason. The media just tries to dupe you that it's some new Gestapo tactic introduced by the Trumpians and far-rightists and the brain-wash is apparently working.

As for these "unmarked" vehicles. Where the hell have you been living for the past 100 years? There have been unmarked police vehicles long before Trump ever became president. Again, I will refer you to "undercover cops" and "plain-clothes" policeman. They've been operating and breaking up things like the mafia and gang-violence. Ever heard of the Untouchables? They operated during the 1930's to break-up the Italian mafia. Guess what? They didn't wear uniforms!! GASP!!! ( I know you have, I'm just being sarcastic)

Also, I'm going to assume that you believe the media when they told you that the Federal Officers were not wearing identifying badges and blah blah blah. Well, sorry to break it to you, they were wearing the uniforms of their units and had badge numbers. The only thing they had to remove was their names because the officers were getting doxxed and having their families and personal lives endangered by leftist cuck-wads.

https://www.newsweek.com/cbp-chief-s...doxing-1519994

If you live in a society where unidentified people can arrest you and take you away (for no reason other than they want to do it) then YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS! You are the one who has been duped.

[jsmlove]

Originally Posted by William May ↗

If you live in a society where unidentified people can arrest you and take you away (for no reason other than they want to do it) then YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS! You are the one who has been duped.

DID YOU BOTHER TO READ ANYTHING I SAID? The officers had their federal uniforms identifying which service they are in AND they had badge numbers. They only didn't have their name tags to avoid being threatened personally. So, if someone had an issue with the officer, all they had to do was to write down their badge number and complain. So, they weren't "secret" police.

I don't mind if you are ignorant on facts, but don't make yourself look like a dumb-ass after I already gave you the information.

[LERK]

Quadruple amputee eh.

Guess she’s available.

[jsmlove]

Originally Posted by William May ↗

If you live in a society where unidentified people can arrest you and take you away (for no reason other than they want to do it) then YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS! You are the one who has been duped.

Has there ever been an abuse of police power in the past? Yes, there has.

In this particular instance however, the police took those people in for questioning after they attacked the federal courthouse. That's not unjustified to take someone in for questioning after the rioters were throwing firebombs, breaking down barriers, and shooting fireworks towards the building.

After questioning, they actually (gasp) released them after the questioning! WOweeeee~~~

Stop making yourself a gullible victim to the media. Get informed.

[William May]

Originally Posted by jsmlove ↗

I think it would behoove you to actually look up stuff and do some proper research before spouting out your opinion.

Yes, in fact, "defund the police" was in the beginning pushed by some people as exactly what it meant; abolishing the police.

ONLY WHEN THERE WAS PUSHBACK did some media outlets try to change the narrative that defund the police doesn't mean abolish the police but meant pushing the funds to other resources. Who is to blame for this misconception? I don't blame you. But sorry, you are misinformed.

The title is enough to tell you in no unclear terms:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/o...nd-police.html

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...und-the-police

Well, keep in mind that violent crime, including murder, is down between 51% and 71% from 1993 to 2018.
Property crimes have decreased between 54% and 69%.
Yet people still think, based on stuff like Trump's commercials for re-election, that crime is running away wildly.
I support the police. The professional ones, who do their job in the best manner possible. But there are still far too many police who use too much force, who don't really care about taking care of anyone, and who are dishonest when it comes to their conduct.
I don't support them at all. I would rather they quit, or go do something else for a living. Just like no one wants a bad airplane mechanic working on their aircraft, no one wants a bad cop working in their community.

[William May]

Originally Posted by jsmlove ↗

DID YOU BOTHER TO READ ANYTHING I SAID? The officers had their federal uniforms identifying which service they are in AND they had badge numbers. They only didn't have their name tags to avoid being threatened personally. So, if someone had an issue with the officer, all they had to do was to write down their badge number and complain. So, they weren't "secret" police.

I don't mind if you are ignorant on facts, but don't make yourself look like a dumb-ass after I already gave you the information.

Oh, of COURSE!
Someone CAN identify them. The data IS available!
But that data isn't available to YOU!
Just like each member of the Gestapo had an identity disc. That data was recorded too. It was available. IF YOU WORKED FOR THE GESTAPO.
The problem with the Gestapo and the NKVD, is that YOU couldn't identify WHO had arrested your relatives, so it wasn't possible to investigate after the war and determine who it was that had killed them.
We don't need secret police in the U.S.
AND IT'S ILLEGAL FOR THE MILITARY TO BE USED AGAINST U.S. CITIZENS.
That only happens in places like Communist China.
OH! WAIT!!
Yeah, I'm a dupe all right!
I'm a dupe who KNOWS that it's ILLEGAL for the government to interfere in ANY WAY with the peaceable assembly of citizens for redress of grievances. It's a Constitutional Right, that the government can't modify, take away, or anything else. THEY CAN'T TELL YOU TO GO HOME WHEN YOU ARE DEMONSTRATING. THEY SHOULDN'T EVEN BE TALKING TO YOU!
The violence in Portland has been largely instigated and enacted by the Federal agents who are there, NOT by the demonstrators!

[jsmlove]

Originally Posted by William May ↗

Oh, of COURSE!
Someone CAN identify them. The data IS available!
But that data isn't available to YOU!
Just like each member of the Gestapo had an identity disc. That data was recorded too. It was available. IF YOU WORKED FOR THE GESTAPO.
The problem with the Gestapo and the NKVD, is that YOU couldn't identify WHO had arrested your relatives, so it wasn't possible to investigate after the war and determine who it was that had killed them.

Are you being serious? You have the badge number and you know what service they are in (ICE, FBI, etc.). Do you need their personal name as well which would have somebody post up their home address in order to endanger their families? (Why do you make me keep repeating this?)

I already told you they can be identified. Get a reality check, this is not 1940's Germany and Gestapo you are dealing with! WTF are you even going on about?

[jsmlove]

Originally Posted by William May ↗

I'm a dupe who KNOWS that it's ILLEGAL for the government to interfere in ANY WAY with the peaceable assembly of citizens for redress of grievances. It's a Constitutional Right, that the government can't modify, take away, or anything else. The violence in Portland has been largely instigated and enacted by the Federal agents who are there, NOT by the demonstrators!

Do I have to highlight the part of the First Amendment you have to focus on?

It also guarantees the right of citizens to assemble PEACEABLY and to petition their government.

Have you not been seeing the videos of them tearing down barriers, starting fires, shining lasers, and shooting fireworks towards the building? There was also a recent rampage in Portland where they were looting and destroying businesses and you think that's "peaceable"? (Recently, several cops have been permanently blinded by the lasers and a home-made bomb injured three officers)

I WILL TELL YOU ONE MORE TIME: The people have a right to PEACEABLY assemble. If your assembly is NOT peaceable, then the government has the right to ENFORCE THE PEACE by necessary means. Can you understand that right any more clearly?

[William May]

Originally Posted by jsmlove ↗

Do I have to highlight the part of the First Amendment you have to focus on?

It also guarantees the right of citizens to assemble PEACEABLY and to petition their government.

Have you not been seeing the videos of them tearing down barriers, starting fires, shining lasers, and shooting fireworks towards the building? There was also a recent rampage in Portland where they were looting and destroying businesses and you think that's "peaceable"? (Recently, several cops have been permanently blinded by the lasers and a home-made bomb injured three officers)

I WILL TELL YOU ONE MORE TIME: The people have a right to PEACEABLY assemble. If your assembly is NOT peaceable, then the government has the right to ENFORCE THE PEACE by necessary means. Can you understand that right any more clearly?

You had better watch the videos of people just walking for the protest being assaulted by cops.
Even the head of the Oregon National Guard said there was excessive use of force on the part of authorities.
The videos you cite just show what happened when citizens retaliated against the police and government troops. They miss the start of all those videos. But that's FAUX news.

[Shocker314]

Originally Posted by William May ↗

Well, keep in mind that violent crime, including murder, is down between 51% and 71% from 1993 to 2018.
Property crimes have decreased between 54% and 69%.

Come on out to DC or Baltimore. So many shootings and murders it’s become....expected.

And I don’t see the protests as these -ahem- People of Color execute each other and wipe out the lives of young children. Doesn’t fit the narrative I guess.