[Overlord86]

I didn't read all 22 pages, but some seem to be under the impression the officer that fired the rifle is giving the commands. He isnt, his sergeant is.
Fucked up orders, but you have to separate the two actions.

Yes the commands were confusing, like crawling without using your hands. The sergeant is the one that fucked it up on the police side.

As for the shots, you almost have to skip directly to the shooting and judge it based on those three seconds. You should only get to watch it once at full speed, just like the officer that shot him did and without the knowledge of if the Male has a gun in his waistband or nor.

The male reached for his waistband during a high risk pedestrian stop after being instructed not too. Intoxication obviously played a role in what led up to the shooting.

The police officers could have moved forward with two officers at the Male's feet holding guard on the door while the other four officers split up to handcuff the Male and female.

They could have move forward enough for two officers to pull the female to them by each grabbing an arm while the other four watched the door and the male. Once cuffed and contained, drag the Male the same way as the female or advance forward to cuff him

While I hate the commands given, I can't tell exactly how impaired the Male is. Obvious signs of him being absolutely hammered can lead to things having to be explained repeatedly in plain language, i.e. you put your hands down and you will get shot. Conversely, if the sergeant thought or could tell the Male was impaired, the sergeant should have altered his tactics to avoid any commands or actions that the impaired Male could not reasonably follow.

But, does confusing commands during a tense situation
rise to proving beyond a reasonable doubt the sergeant (not the officer) was guilty of murder or manslaughter as a conspirator?

I don't like the video, I would not have handled it that way. The villains here are the sergeant and the intoxicated Male.
Set aside the conflicting commands. There were better tactical options than hyping up your rookie officers by repeatingly saying "you will get shot" to the Male if he flinches.
A self fulfilling prophecy is normally not a great tactical option.
Time was on the officers side overall (not talking about action vs reaction.) The sergeant's overall tactical plan was horrible.
Verdict was correct by the jury on charges related to the officer that fired the shots.

The sergeant gets to escape via retirement and the Philippines. The intoxicated Male who was waving around a pellet gun that looked like a rifle causing a large police response was either suicide by cop or being intoxicated to the point of not being able to follow commands. Both ways led to the Male being shot and killed.

The officer that fired the shots is fucked up for life.

A smart reporter would ask for any other body cam footage, although that isn't going to change what happened. The other body cams may show the Male reaching to pull up his shorts, but that isn't the view the officer who shot had. Even this body cam isn't exactly what the officer saw because the body cam is being worn on his chest.
Rambling response, but I'm on mobile typing and seeing this only one line at a time along with fighting my out of control autocorrect.

[nandi88]

Kid was white so media didn’t care.

[Royal_Madnessty]

Some here really are balls deep in that cops ass. Nasty cop loving thugs.

[Annababe]

That pig killed that man in cold blood! He should be doing life without the possibilty of Parole. That man was no threat at all. That officer is a sick individual! He was going to kill him no matter what! fuck police training....sick ppl like that pig should never be police officers!

[Paggles]

That’s murder right there, did they get charged?

[cicueto]

Originally Posted by rhan101277 ↗

He was aquitted but fired from the police department.

He's actually on pension from the city; he was given an opportunity to apply for retirement benefits after being temporarily rehired by Mesa PD. They claim the shooting left him traumatized such that he should no longer have to work and be paid a monthly allowance. I'm not sure if this is on top of disability benefits he receives for ptsd. Either way, he gets to sit on his ass all day and gets at least one possibly two checks a month for the rest of his life.

https://www.abc15.com/news/local-new...a-pension-deal

[JustAnotherIdiot]

I’ll recap the facts for those that don’t want to read all the back and forth political garbage.

The cop yelling was not the cop that shot

The cop yelling retired 4 months after the shooting and moved out of the country

The suspect who was shot was showing off the rifle to two other hotel guests, one left earlier. He never shot from the window or was reported to have shot out the window. Guests in the hotel hot tub saw a rifle barrel stick out of the window, told the front desk who called the cops

The shooting officer was acquitted by trial (found not guilty)

The officer was fired by the mesa pd after the shooting for modifying his rifle with two phrases, one in english, one in greek

Daniel shaver (the suspect) had a blood alcohol reading of greater than .25... that’s shit faced.

After the trial, the shooting officer was re-hired by the mesa PD (in a clerical position), paid for all medical treatment regarding the PTSD this incident caused. Less than 3 months later, he retired with a pension of $2500/month.

The shooting officer is now under investigation by the DOJ of civil rights violations of Daniel Shaver. Basically he deprived the suspect of his life without due process.

[JustAnotherIdiot]

Now my view points... this was a bad shooting. (Not that all shootings aren’t bad, but this was the wrong call.

The guy was scared shitless, confused and obviously drunk. (The police even knew this, thus their asking if they were too drunk to understand). The guy was totally compliant... confused but compliant. Then in that prone interlaced hands position an officer should have gone up, kneeled on his back and cuffed him/ searched him.

The commands given were confusing. I don’t know how to “crawl” without my hands... hell, let me check the dictionary..

“crawl [ krawl ]
verb (used without object)
to move in a prone position with the body resting on or close to the ground, as a worm or caterpillar, or on the hands and knees, as a young child.”

Yup it says “on the HANDS and knees”.

The guy couldn’t remember his own name at that point, let alone instructions given 2 sets ago. Hell, the field sobriety test in fact tests this with the multiple instructions given with the “walk heel to toe” test. So after he crawled over to them, he was just pulling up his pants waiting for the next instructions.

I have defended the police in prior shootings, but this one was just a cop who was way too amped up for the situation. If they were all in fear of their lives, then why did only one of the many police on the scene fire his weapon NUMEROUS TIMES?

[dano63016]

gotta say wrong the way the cops worked it. but i smell bullshit about the whole bb gun killing pigeons thing. i could be wrong, but i would think it was lets shoot the surveillance cameras and steal shit out of cars and go smoke dope in a hotel room. bad job by cops. totally unnecessary when they had ten minutes to tase him in the face if needed, but well, really the average local I.Q. bumped up a point at the end of the vid.

[JustAnotherIdiot]

Originally Posted by dano63016 ↗

gotta say wrong the way the cops worked it. but i smell bullshit about the whole bb gun killing pigeons thing. i could be wrong, but i would think it was lets shoot the surveillance cameras and steal shit out of cars and go smoke dope in a hotel room. bad job by cops. totally unnecessary when they had ten minutes to tase him in the face if needed, but well, really the average local I.Q. bumped up a point at the end of the vid.

He was a professional exterminator. He was hired to get rid of pigeons INSIDE a walmart store. The pellet gun was for work. He was off work when this happened and was drunk with drunk friends showing the scope and rifle to them.

These are the facts, not some made up story by the dead.