[JoseQuinones]

Originally Posted by Royal_Madnessty ↗

Look, to me it's totally fine if some people don't understand others/other cultures/laws etc.. I'm sure some (non) Americans don't understand european laws/culture/people and that's also fine.

You need to understand that most european countries have no or very strict gun laws and close to zero gun deaths so all that gun talk and usage really is a far from home thing for so many of us here. In my country maybe 5 or even less people die by gun every year it's a very rare occurence. So seeing kids with guns, neighbors, regular citizens, is just surreal to me.

A friend of mine now has a criminal record because he had a little gun collection, just for fun and he wasn't planning to use them but police raided his home and his little gun collection was melted and destroyed. He asked me to hold this 9mm just for fun, that mofo was heavy and it scared the shit out of me lol. Luckily the police didn't look for any fingerprints because mine were on it i'm sure.

Fun fact: he now can't visit the US for 5 years thanks to his record of illegal gun possession

Either way, thank you for sharing your POV sir.

You keep making it about crime. It's not about crime. That is an issue for the civil authorities. The guns committing these crimes are not the ones that are being bought legally. It's not about that day to day stuff, it's about the black swan events. And your continent is due for one anytime, just like the rest of the world.

I don't know how to get through to people like you. It's not about cultural differences. It's about a basic misunderstanding of what you're talking about.

[JoseQuinones]

One black swan event you're unprepared for will kill many times as many people as are killed elsewhere by daily crime and drive-bys. You might save some lives up front, but you'll pay in dead bodies down the road. History is crystal clear on this.

[LasVegas3000]

It looks like at the last second she looks at the trigger and slowly pulled the trigger intentionally.

[claytoaj]

Yikes. I'm more stunned by the chaos on the other side of the door and the fact that no one even bothers coming in to check on them.

Like, they could be slowly bleeding out on the floor, people! But instead, let's just all run around screaming our heads off. I heard somebody say they had to get there shit, presumably prior to leaving quickly.

And then the mother flipping out about her having been on live streaming, rather than the fact that her child is dead?

How is any of this helpful? Like, they were probably both dead already, but do you not even check a pulse? You don't even attempt to administer first aid? Did anyone even call 911? Or is everyone literally just going into hysterics?

[Royal_Madnessty]

Originally Posted by JoseQuinones ↗

You keep making it about crime. It's not about crime. That is an issue for the civil authorities. The guns committing these crimes are not the ones that are being bought legally. It's not about that day to day stuff, it's about the black swan events. And your continent is due for one anytime, just like the rest of the world.

I don't know how to get through to people like you. It's not about cultural differences. It's about a basic misunderstanding of what you're talking about.

That's the problem here. You won't ''get through me''. Stop being pushy my dude. I already told you twice that i do not understand this second amendment no matter how you're trying to explain or rationalize it. Maybe you just simply need to accept that.

Stop trying to convince me, it's a waste of time. Trust.

Now let's move on and stop derailing this thread shall we?

Cheers.

[Royal_Madnessty]

Anyway, by the looks of it she did kill herself on purpose in a matter of seconds, shock, adrenaline, fear and guilt all at once made her do it. Sometimes really young kids commit suicide, 10 or 11 year olds. Of course kids do not understand the real concept of death yet and kids in general are impulsive. Think we see the same thing here with this girl. Many suicides are on impuls. Her death does not look accidental to me, at all.

Sad case and i hope they will throw the book at their parents.

[kilyurselph]

Fucking hell that was horrible. The first shot was definitely an accident. The second shot? I don't know. I've heard of people who have accidently killed someone like this going on to kill themselves shortly afterwards. But this, she shot herself maybe 5 seconds after her cousin. Could've been an instant decision but I don't know.

What I do know, is that GUNS ARE NOT TOYS, so don't behave as if they are. My kids, niece's and nephews all know this. They all practice proper gun control/safety, are some seriously on point shooters, and know their weapon is not a toy. If I ever caught them holding a gun side ways or flexing in the mirror like it's a prop rather than a machine engineered to kill. It would be the last time they ever touched a firearm of mine. I don't play that shit and they know it.

[Royal_Madnessty]

Originally Posted by kilyurselph ↗

Fucking hell that was horrible. The first shot was definitely an accident. The second shot? I don't know. I've heard of people who have accidently killed someone like this going on to kill themselves shortly afterwards. But this, she shot herself maybe 5 seconds after her cousin. Could've been an instant decision but I don't know.

What I do know, is that GUNS ARE NOT TOYS, so don't behave as if they are. My kids, niece's and nephews all know this. They all practice proper gun control/safety, are some seriously on point shooters, and know their weapon is not a toy. If I ever caught them holding a gun side ways or flexing in the mirror like it's a prop rather than a machine engineered to kill. It would be the last time they ever touched a firearm of mine. I don't play that shit and they know it.

Looks like she dropped the gun after she fell, grabbed it again, pointed at her own head and pulled the trigger.

[Dr_Jackal]

Originally Posted by tandc ↗

Same here. My dad kept guns in the house. He took us shooting as soon as we were old enough and throughout our childhoods. That accomplished 2 things for us—it took away the mystique of the forbidden and showed us how powerful and deadly a gun was. We never had any desire to play with the guns because of this.

That's exactly right.

[DrKGSmiff]

Originally Posted by b1llygo4t ↗

This. As a Libertarian I'm far more concerned that some paranoid Trump idiot with a cheap boomstick he bought from Cabelas or some ****** cop is gonna get triggered than liberals taking my guns or catching a stray bullet from the ghetto.


I don't trust the government or anyone that supports the police. Better to have it and not need it.

Well, as a thinker, I have to point out that if you took all of the people the “paranoid Trump idiots” have killed during their protests, squared it, added it to the number of people killed by triggered “faggot cops”, and multiplied that by 10, you still wouldn’t equal 1% of the people killed during the “mostly peaceful” BLM protests and people killed by stray bullets from the ghetto.

Your ranking of your “concern” is a prime example of what you get when one lets the bobbleheads on their television do their thinking for them.