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05-29-2019, 08:09 PM
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Re: Phone Shop Guard Gutshots Wannabe Robber
I like how you call out weekend warriors while doing some keyboard warrior-ing (totally made that word up) of your own. You must have racked up a good number of kills to be able to provide that thoughtful insight. Sooooo....are you able to justify that insight as it pertains to the best and most effective way to neutralize an attacker with a firearm. Is one shot better? One shot with a single follow up shot? Two shots? Ok...three shots?? How about some evidence-based results on the most effective way to kill someone from close quarters using a handgun. Does a double tap mean you have no trigger discipline? Seems to be what you’re implying given your post. Say someone is charging you and you fire off 4 shots with the third striking the attacker AFTER he hits the ground. That must mean your trigger discipline is crap because you clearly should have fired three shots. Better yet...someone is charging you and you fire once and it doesn’t drop him and he gets close enough to inflict serious bodily harm. That definitely means too much trigger discipline was exercised, right? Of course we’ll say the attacker had a knife in both instance so that defending yourself with deadly force is justified. I mean, you can predict where your bullet will strike (assuming you’re well versed and proficient with your firearm) but you can’t really predict if it will instantly drop the person....except maybe a solid headshot. Thus I don’t think it would be fair to say those that double or triple tap to ensure a threat is neutralized can really be faulted. The last thing you would want is to have a shot miss or strike and not drop the target and have them cause you or a loved one or someone else you are protecting serious harm or death. You could also include your own personal experience with all the perps that you’ve dropped with a handgun. It would be an N of one, but I still like some personal anecdotes periodically. I’m not making any claims to know what’s best. I’m not calling out those that double or triple tap (those weekend warriors you spoke of...or the vets, interesting that you lump them in the same category) |
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05-30-2019, 01:12 PM
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 My Rank: MASTER GUNNERY SERGEANT Poster Rank:329 Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 3,894 Mentioned: 9 Post(s) Quoted: 3135 Post(s)
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Re: Phone Shop Guard Gutshots Wannabe Robber
Umm, no. The bullet likely entered via the hepatic vein, which supplies the liver, and maybe nicked the descending vena cava on the way out his back. This is why the blood pouring from his lower abdomen is largely deoxygenated, darker blood. If it had impacted his heart, the immediate drop in blood pressure coupled with the cauterization of the wound by the hot bullet would have limited almost all the bleeding to his internal thoracic cavity. This blood is being pumped, but not spurting as from an arterial wound.
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05-30-2019, 10:01 PM
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Re: Phone Shop Guard Gutshots Wannabe Robber
I lumped weekend warriors with vets; because WW simply parrot veterans. I wasn’t disparaging veterans. I also believe veterans double/triple tap because they are using fmj. I guess I was just stressing shot placement above a barrage. Why cops fire like they are racing to exhaust their clip is just dangerous. I’ve never had to use a handgun in self defense. Honestly I’m more of a numbers guy when it comes to firearms. I’m fascinated by ballistics. |
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05-31-2019, 12:49 AM
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Re: Phone Shop Guard Gutshots Wannabe Robber
Cool beans. Its all good. I would agree that cops emptying their magazines is sometimes overkill. I would say that a double or even triple tap wouldnt/shouldn't be considered a barrage though. Eight or nine with half of them after the perp drops....yeah, probably overkill
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05-31-2019, 01:07 AM
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Re: Phone Shop Guard Gutshots Wannabe Robber
The hepatic vein doesnt supply the liver....it drains it. Supply would come from the hepatic artery. The vena cava doesn't have a "descending" portion. Its either the superior or the inferior vena cava. i guess though, technically the inferior vena cava would be ascending and the superior vena cava descending but they are referred to as either the superior or inferior vena cava. Its possible it could have hit the descending aorta and there likely wouldn't be that pulsating arterial bleeding since its deep. His abdominal cavity would have filled up with blood and then it would have just started pouring out the hole in copious amounts. but without knowing any autopsy results we are all making conjectures. And trying to determine oxygenated vs deoxygenated blood from a video of this quality?? come on now! but if we get technical about it: blood oxygenates anytime it is exposed to air (a la blood passing through the lungs). blood that is drawn for lab purposes goes into a tube and is thus not exposed to air so it will indeed appear dark. but when we bleed the moment blood is exposed to atmospheric air (the same that goes into our lungs) the hemoglobin in each RBC will bind to oxygen. thus trying to say blood we see pouring out of a body is dark therefore not oxygenated is kind of an empty argument since physiologically speaking its just not true. |
