[Sinil]

Originally Posted by JGT4 ↗

He can't breathe, but the he can't stop talking.

This is a myth, a common one in fact. A lot of people believe if you can speak then you can breath. This is simply not the case. I have heard APD say this in the past and each time I made a point to correct them on the spot. They need to know that this is FALSE! If they come up against a situation like this, It is critical that they realize that You CAN speak if you cannot breathe!!


To explain this you need to understand 2 things:


Functional Reserve Capacity (FRC- the amount of air left in the lungs after a normal exhalation)


Expiratory Reserve Volume (ERV - the amount of air you can still force out of your lungs after a normal exhalation).


When you take a normal breath you breathe in and out you are breathing about 500ml of air.


Upon exhalation, you have approximately 2400ml of air in your lungs, this is the FRC.


If you try really hard and push out as much air as possible, you can still force out approximately 1200ml more air, this the ERV.


The FRC and ERV is the air you are able to speak with even if you cannot take a normal breath.


Note: Notice that the ERV contains more than twice that of a normal breath.


That is a lot of air you are able to force out, and a lot of speaking you can do even if you can't breathe.


The lungs work on negative pressure. When you breathe in, your lungs are at a lower pressure than the air around you. This is how you inhale. This is caused by your diaphragm and intercostal muscles. Your lungs are very elastic, and will move back to their normal size during exhalation. This is where the problem begins for officers.


If you are kneeling on a suspect, or they are handcuffed, on the ground, and on their chest, there is a STRONG possibility that you’re cutting off their ability to breathe.


Once the lungs begin to exhale, they collapse, but if you’re pressing down with your body weight, the lungs may not be able to expand. They then continue to collapse, forcing out the FRC, but not drawing in a new breath. So, the suspect may begin pleading for breath, they may actually be incapable of drawing one in, and you’re the reason.


If someone says “I cannot breathe”, you need to believe them, because you may be killing them.


During any kind of physical altercation, that person may be breathing deeply and rapidly, making their lungs collapse faster when you are kneeling on them or holding them on the ground.

Asthma.Drugs. Prior health issues. Some of you may be saying "Well, the suspect died in the (insert PD/facility’s) care, that wasn't the officer's fault or the jail's fault."


Oh yes it was. If someone is telling you they can't breathe, you need to believe them. Asthma and some drugs have a presentation of the constriction of the airways, the same as being strangled. They will still be able to speak and they will still be dying slowly.


It took 30 minutes for Eric Garner to die, just over 10 for George Floyd and they were both entirely preventable.


Misinformation is contagious, toxic, and in this case DEADLY!


TLDR: The statement “If You Can Speak You Can Breathe” is complete bullshit !

Source: Myself
6 years as a Paramedic for the Austin Fire Department
7 years as Army Medic

[Sinil]

For those flat earth-ers out there that need proof. My partner in crime explained it this way to an Austin PD officer the other day.


Take a normal breath in and then a normal breath out. Now force out as much air as you can.


Even after doing this, you are able to speak. I was able to speak for about 5 - 10 seconds afterwards, in short gasping words, but I can speak.


Now, if you don't inhale at this point, you will begin the suffocation process, but you will STILL be capable of speech even as you are dying.


Note: I am not saying a person will only be able to speak for a few seconds, they could speak for minutes while unable to inhale. You just purposely forced out the ERV during the example. Suspects/inmates might not. They may be on the ground, unable to breathe in, but entirely capable of speech for minutes as they slowly die.

[el_topo]

Originally Posted by Royal_Madnessty ↗

He did his time. This was a decade ago. Stop trying to look for excuses.

This is God’s hand of justice coming into play.

[Royal_Madnessty]

Originally Posted by JGT4 ↗

He can't breathe, but the he can't stop talking.

Ignorant clown.

Let me choke you slowly but steady and see if you can speak. You will.. but still suffocate slowly. It takes time but you'll die while screaming for your momma or Trump.

[el_topo]

Originally Posted by Royal_Madnessty ↗

Ignorant clown.

Let me choke you slowly but steady and see if you can speak. You will.. but still suffocate slowly. It takes time but you'll die while screaming for your momma or Trump.

Let me break into your house, steal your belongings and threaten your life. I’ll just do my time and you’ll get over it

[sebastian haff]

What I find really interesting is that most of these high-profile incidents involving race, police brutality, and riots don't happen here in the South of the U.S., which everyone in the places where those things *do* happen claims is so racist and backwards and ignorant. It seems to me like people of different races get along better in states like Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida than they do in California and above the Mason-Dixon Line despite a lot of those latter states being leftist and thus supposedly more accepting and tolerant of racial diversity.

But that's just in my experience and understanding, mileage may vary for others.[/QUOTE]

So exactly right. I’m from New Hampshire originally by have lived in Atlanta since 1979. I have family all over the North East...NYC, Philly, Milwaukee and I can absolutely tell you that race relations are so much better here in the South. It’s so frustrating, the way Southerners get branded as racists. The folks up North sit on high, in their COMPLETELY SEGREGATED cities, while in the south, blacks and whites live and work side by side, truly desegregated, yet We are the racists.

[kellyhound]

Kellie Chauvin, the wife of former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin, said she is filing for divorce after 10 years of marriage.

In a statement issued by her attorney, Kellie Chauvin said she is devastated by the killing of 46-year-old George Floyd, who died earlier this week while in police custody.

Kellie Chauvin's attorney said she filed for divorce as a result of this week's incident.

Kellie Chauvin was born in Laos in 1974 during a time of war. In 1977, her family fled to safety in Thailand, where they lived in a refugee camp. In 2018, she was crowned Mrs. Minnesota.

[Sinil]

Hoooooooly Shhh!ttt !! No f-ing way!!?? DaaaAmmmnn !! I'm floored....

[HeyJealousy]

Originally Posted by sebastian haff ↗

What I find really interesting is that most of these high-profile incidents involving race, police brutality, and riots don't happen here in the South of the U.S., which everyone in the places where those things *do* happen claims is so racist and backwards and ignorant. It seems to me like people of different races get along better in states like Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida than they do in California and above the Mason-Dixon Line despite a lot of those latter states being leftist and thus supposedly more accepting and tolerant of racial diversity.

But that's just in my experience and understanding, mileage may vary for others.

So exactly right. I’m from New Hampshire originally by have lived in Atlanta since 1979. I have family all over the North East...NYC, Philly, Milwaukee and I can absolutely tell you that race relations are so much better here in the South. It’s so frustrating, the way Southerners get branded as racists. The folks up North sit on high, in their COMPLETELY SEGREGATED cities, while in the south, blacks and whites live and work side by side, truly desegregated, yet We are the racists.[/QUOTE]

I'm a Razorback from Arkansas, and I concur.

There are places in New Hampshire, Maine, Minnesota, Upper Michigan, etc, that are lily-white to a fault and you would be hard-pressed to spot a single person of color from the crowds.

Those places can be rabidly conservative too, contrary to popular opinion that all Northern states are bastions of progressive thought. The divide is "urban vs rural" these days, not geographic.

[Royal_Madnessty]

Somehow i have the feeling that piggy cop is a shut and closed suicide case.

His life is over, his reputation in shambles, no job, jail time, no wife, no family. Just a pathetic waste of human life and he knows it.

I can hand him a rope or bedsheet if he wants.