[Mr.NoCredit]

Originally Posted by M.F.D.B. ↗

Plus helicopters are much better at landing without an engine than a plane.

That seems odd to me. You know this as factual? In my mind I see an airplane being able to have some glide while I see a helicopter simply drop. I don’t know shit it’s just something I’ve never heard before. I guess I could just look it up for myself but wondered your experience..

[William May]

Originally Posted by Mr.NoCredit ↗

That seems odd to me. You know this as factual? In my mind I see an airplane being able to have some glide while I see a helicopter simply drop. I don’t know shit it’s just something I’ve never heard before. I guess I could just look it up for myself but wondered your experience..

When an airplane engine quits, the aircraft can glide for a good distance, but the problem is there may not be a good landing area inside that distance range.

With a helicopter, if you lose your engine, it can auto-rotate down, which means it descends under full control. And finding a landing spot for a helicopter is a lot easier than for an airplane. Any 50 foot square area will work, from a plowed field to a store parking lot. Auto-rotation training is standard when you learn to fly a helicopter. Typically they just descend at a moderate rate, and just before touch-down, the pilot raises the collective, and the helicopter just touches gently down.

Unless you run into power lines you didn't see. Then you're screwed.

[kellyhound]

Originally Posted by M.F.D.B. ↗

That's no helicopter tail I've ever seen. Looks more like a small airplane. Plus helicopters are much better at landing without an engine than a plane.

Correct,

It was through a statement that the FGR reported that an investigation file will be opened for the crash of the small plane in which Juan Pablo Montes de Oca and his family were traveling.

For this reason, the FGR ordered the Public Ministry to carry out a field criminalistics report, in turn requesting that the General Directorate of Civil Aeronautics investigate the causes of the plane accident.

Seven people were traveling on the Jet King Air plane with registration XB-SKA (including Juan Pablo Montes de Oca and his family), plus one crew member.

A Beechcraft E90 King Air impacted a hillside in Salto de Agua, Chiapas, at about 2800 ft and about 8,5 NM Southwest of its destination Palenque International Airport (PQM/MMPQ), Palenque.

The occupants died and the aircraft was destroyed. Among the occupants was a local deputy.

There are conflicting reports on the number of fatalities. Most sources indicate six fatlities: the local deputy, his mother, wife, two children and the pilot. Some sources suggest there were eight fatalities.

Going to change title.

[shanejj]

https://fr24.com/data/aircraft/xb-ska#348bc150

Looks like pilot flew them straight into the mountain. Low clouds were probably a factor judging by the videos....What a way to go

That blue dress chick was fine asf tho oeff

[akham]

Originally Posted by kellyhound ↗

the odds of dying in a car crash are 1 in 98 for a lifetime while the odds of dying in a plane crash are 1 in 7,178 in a lifetime.

There you go confusing things by referencing facts again.

[akham]

Attached is an image showing the flight track of the aircraft (sourced from publicly available ADS-B data) viewed in Google Earth.

The plane was descending with the intention of landing at Palenque Airport (ICAO: MMPQ).

There are multiple ranges of hills/mountains under the aircraft's track. Shockingly the aircraft nearly crashed into the previous range, climbing after narrowly avoiding a crash, and then beginning to descend again.

The pilot clearly did not know where he was.

It was a commercial flight, so I would *expect* that the aircraft would be operating IFR (instrument flight rules - i.e. not relying on visibility but navigating using instruments so visibility doesn't matter until you get to the runway). But that track doesn't look like an IFR track to me.

If the flight was operating VFR (visual flight rules, not relying on instruments) the aircraft is not allowed to enter cloud or fly over a cloud layer. One reason for that is to prevent you flying into something that is sticking up ...

[Abor]

Pilot got disoriented and crashed into mountain. Reminds me of the Kobe Bryant helicopter crash.

[M.F.D.B.]

Originally Posted by Mr.NoCredit ↗

That seems odd to me. You know this as factual? In my mind I see an airplane being able to have some glide while I see a helicopter simply drop. I don’t know shit it’s just something I’ve never heard before. I guess I could just look it up for myself but wondered your experience..

Yes, I have quite a bit of experience in fixed and rotary. I've flown small fixed wings myself. Had several friends who were rotary pilots and I've also flown R/C fixed and rotary.

Originally Posted by William May ↗

When an airplane engine quits, the aircraft can glide for a good distance, but the problem is there may not be a good landing area inside that distance range.

With a helicopter, if you lose your engine, it can auto-rotate down, which means it descends under full control. And finding a landing spot for a helicopter is a lot easier than for an airplane. Any 50 foot square area will work, from a plowed field to a store parking lot. Auto-rotation training is standard when you learn to fly a helicopter. Typically they just descend at a moderate rate, and just before touch-down, the pilot raises the collective, and the helicopter just touches gently down.

BINGO

Originally Posted by William May ↗

Unless you run into power lines you didn't see. Then you're screwed.

Or you are in a Little Bird practicing auto's and hot dogging a bit too much and you deplete rotor energy just a hair too soon (about 50 feet over ground) and pancake the gear flat to the belly causing disk injuries to your right seater and retire the following morning...

[DanteAntonelli]

Originally Posted by M.F.D.B. ↗

That's no helicopter tail I've ever seen. Looks more like a small airplane. Plus helicopters are much better at landing without an engine than a plane.

But only if the pilot is trained in how to do it.

[DanteAntonelli]

People in first video were speaking an Amerindian dialect/language
probably a Mayan dialect called Ch'ol, not Spanish