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01-31-2026, 02:01 PM
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Re: Man Shot by Immigration & Customs Enforcement in MN, Jan 24
If rational is voting in a demented man and then lying about his condition for 3.5 years I'm glad I am not rational. Democratic party learned nothing from this and wanted to put the same administration in again along with its merry go round of presidents for the day. Majority wanted Trump, that along with piss poor strategy lost them the election. Not by a bunch of ignorant hillbillies you and others refer to as MAGA. Obama has the record of deportations. And before you start with how safe it was From 50 to 100 people died during this purge. Yet not one fucking word was said, not one riot started for people the ACLU said were just looking for a safe place to stay. Talk about law and order and the 77 million that voted for deportation. Biden has had his share in fact he would have been indited except the investigator thought him too simple to understand the charges. Immigration is at the bottom of my list. I can give a fuck less. I don't find liberals rational at all. Your actions of the last four years more that demonstrated that. Where was your outrage when Joe didn't even know how to walk off a stage or stumbled through a speech. I suggest we stay on topic. If you have someone you don't like focus on that person. I do not want included in it and your way the fuck off on your assessment of Independents and Republicans. |
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01-31-2026, 03:28 PM
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Re: Man Shot by Immigration & Customs Enforcement in MN, Jan 24
Agreed, however, the distinction between actors was not the focus of my point. I was highlighting the extreme hypocrisy of the isolated events, in regards to said "repugnancy" from the very same posters, here on this site. This is the first I've heard, but I don't doubt the accuracy. However, I must point out, to clarify, it's irrelevant. My reasoning for pointing out, was merely the fact that people's "repugnant" comments at the time assumed the children and wife had witnessed first hand. Things like, "good", "I'm glad they see it, so they can remember why he died", "he deserved it" etc. etc. On and on. Agreed It matters in the point you are making, I agree, it however does not as a matter of my point. Couldn't disagree more, in regards to the topic at hand, my point WAS to paint with a broad brush. We have posts here on this very site, by the same people, who championed Kirks assassination, when the man simply spoke his mind, and they simply disagreed with what he said. Hardly justifies a public assassination, especially in regards to HIS freedom of speech, no? I didn't even know who he was before he was killed... Those same, "repugnants" are here saying brown shirt guy was killed simply because he was, "exercising his 1st amendment right (and 2a, even more surprisingly, as Leftists)". It's strange so many people here cannot reconcile that level of hypocrisy, simply because of one single detail, "whom" the person pulling the trigger identifies as. Had brown shirt man been wearing a Maga hat, those same, "repugnants" would be CHAMPIONING his death. Had it been Don Lemon instead of Kirk, the Left would have lost their minds, the same way they are about brown shirt guy. I cannot respect that level of repugnant, dastardly, ignorant, hypocrisy. My point really is that simple... Couldn't agree more. |
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01-31-2026, 04:17 PM
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Re: Man Shot by Immigration & Customs Enforcement in MN, Jan 24
I've read plenty of heavily biased, hyperbolic, hypocrites saying repugnant shit on both sides of the isle. And yes, their opinion depends on who the victim is. It's very predictable about how it will be "spun". That's why I'll die in the middle. I find both sides utterly hypocritical and incapable of seeing nuances. What do both sides worship? The false dichotomy. It's their god and belief system. They both have more in common then they know. It's why I don't get emotionally invested in any of it. Fuck them all, equally. I keep my head down, live my own life as selfish as that is, and I believe in "live and let live". I'm realistic enough to understand that personal "outrage" is just that. Personal and meaningless on the grand scale. A drop in the ocean, a grain of sand in the desert. |
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01-31-2026, 07:16 PM
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Re: Man Shot by Immigration & Customs Enforcement in MN, Jan 24
Yep. I just don't get how my friend is OK with conservatives canceling people for "celebrating" CK's death on social media when they are ok with a "Mossad sleeper agent" who had CK assassinated running TPUSA, double standard and all... NVM. I do know. "Everything is tribal" and "tribe before country" so fairness is fictional and every time a "libtards" is canceled is striking a blow to the enemy... etc etc etc |
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01-31-2026, 08:35 PM
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Re: Man Shot by Immigration & Customs Enforcement in MN, Jan 24
Since the Renee Good shooting, I’ve seen a lot of accusations, conspiracies, and factual debates here, there, and everywhere regarding everything ICE. I was too uninformed to chime in, so I’ve been doing research on all of these issues to educate myself. I thought I would share my findings for anyone interested. Overall theme I discovered? It’s fucking complicated, but fairly clear. Here is a fact-based breakdown of ICE’s historical structure, authority, enforcement history, and recent changes, using official sources and major reporting. I've also addressed some of the more wild accusations I’ve seen floating around about due process and slave labor. I try to back up what I write with sources, and I’ve done the best I could in the week I’ve spent on this. If I’ve gotten anything wrong, I welcome corrections with direct sources. I’m not relying on cable or streaming news outlets, regardless of ideology, that mix reporting with personal opinion or narrative framing, including CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, Newsmax, OANN, TYT, or similar commentary-driven sources, and I’ll reject those as valid citations. Pull up a toilet, or a recliner, and enjoy. ICE: BASIC FACTS AND HISTORY 1. ICE is a federal law enforcement agency within the Department of Homeland Security. It was created in 2003 as part of the Homeland Security Act after 9/11, inheriting interior immigration and customs enforcement functions from the old INS and Customs Service. https://www.ice.gov/about-ice 2. ICE has two principal law enforcement components that have existed since its creation: Homeland Security Investigations (HSI), which focuses on transnational crime and smuggling, and Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO), which focuses on arresting, detaining, and removing people under immigration law. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...ms_Enforcement 3. ICE officers and agents are federal law enforcement officers under U.S. law. They enforce federal immigration and related criminal statutes, not state or local criminal codes. Cornell Law’s legal encyclopedia explicitly describes ICE as a federal law enforcement agency responsible for immigration and customs enforcement. https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/immi...ment_%28ice%29 ICE ENFORCEMENT BEFORE TRUMP’S SECOND TERM 4. Before Trump’s current term, immigration enforcement was already very large in scale. In fiscal year 2012, ICE’s Enforcement and Removal Operations removed a record 409,849 people in one year, according to ICE’s own data and DHS testimony to Congress. https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/fy...priorities-and 5. Of those 409,849 removals in 2012, ICE reported that about 55 percent involved people with criminal convictions, including people convicted of homicide, sex offenses, and drug crimes. https://www.dhs.gov/news/2013/06/27/...ittee-national 6. Independent analysis of DHS data confirms that removals more than tripled from 2002 to 2012, then declined somewhat afterward, but remained in the hundreds of thousands per year. A Congressional Research Service report notes removals increased from 122,587 in 2002 to 409,849 in 2012, then decreased in 2013 and 2014. https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R43892 7. Even before Trump’s second term, the government was heavily using "summary" procedures rather than full immigration court hearings. An ACLU report found that in 2013, 438,421 deportations were carried out, and more than 363,279 of those, over 83 percent, happened without a hearing before an immigration judge, using fast-track administrative processes like expedited removal and reinstatement of prior orders. https://www.aclu-sdic.org/news/immig...gs-finds-aclu/ ICE POWERS, JURISDICTION, AND WARRANTS BEFORE TRUMP’S SECOND TERM 8. ICE’s basic legal authority to question, arrest, and search comes from section 287 of the Immigration and Nationality Act, codified at 8 U.S.C. 1357. This statute gives immigration officers authority to interrogate people they reasonably believe are noncitizens, arrest with or without a warrant in certain circumstances, and perform limited searches related to immigration enforcement. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1357 9. Under 8 U.S.C. 1357(a)(2), an immigration officer may arrest a person without a warrant if the officer has reason to believe the person is in violation of immigration law and is likely to escape before a warrant can be obtained. This power existed long before Trump’s second term. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1357 10. Historically, ICE used two kinds of warrants: ◼ Criminal or judicial warrants signed by a judge (for criminal charges or certain searches), which carry full Fourth Amendment weight.Older training materials and rights guides consistently explained that an administrative immigration warrant does not by itself allow ICE to force entry into a private home. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/...rant-memo-says 11. Before Trump’s current term, the standard understanding across rights groups, lawyers, and many local governments was: ◼ People did not have to open the door to ICE unless agents presented a warrant signed by a judge naming someone at that address.AP’s description of "knock and talk" raids and earlier guidance reflects that traditional practice. https://apnews.com/article/26e9b492c...5c554c24695a23 12. ICE’s civil authority is over noncitizens. Official policy acknowledges that as a matter of law, ICE cannot exercise civil immigration arrest authority over U.S. citizens. When citizens are wrongly targeted, it is treated as error or misconduct, not as a lawful use of civil immigration power. https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-21-487 MISTAKEN ENFORCEMENT AGAINST U.S. CITIZENS BEFORE TRUMP’S SECOND TERM 13. Mistaken enforcement against U.S. citizens was a known problem even before the current Trump term, but on the order of hundreds of cases. A Government Accountability Office report reviewing 2015 through early 2020 found ICE had arrested 674 people with potential claims to U.S. citizenship, detained 121 of them, and removed 70 potential U.S. citizens. https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-21-487.pdf 14. GAO criticized ICE for failing to systematically track and flag potential U.S. citizens and recommended better data collection and training, which DHS formally agreed to. https://www.gao.gov/assets/720/715828.pdf QUALIFICATIONS AND TRAINING BEFORE TRUMP’S SECOND TERM 15. ICE law enforcement hires were subject to standard federal law enforcement screening requirements, including U.S. citizenship, background investigation, medical and drug screening, and physical fitness standards. Specific qualifications varied by role, such as HSI special agent, ERO deportation officer, or other ICE law enforcement positions. This baseline is consistently described across long-standing ICE and DHS career materials and general agency overviews. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...ms_Enforcement 16. HSI special agent training was historically described as a multi-month program conducted through the Federal Law Enforcement Training Centers (FLETC), combining the interagency Criminal Investigator Training Program (CITP) with HSI-specific follow-on instruction before field assignment. This structure is documented in ICE, FLETC, and public agency descriptions predating 2025. https://www.fletc.gov/criminal-inves...aining-program TRUMP’S CURRENT TERM: STRUCTURAL CHANGES TO HIRING AND TRAINING 17. In August 2025, DHS announced it was removing the upper age limit for ICE recruits entirely as part of Trump’s second term immigration agenda. The department said that previously the hiring window ran roughly from early 20s to about 40, but now applicants can be 18 with no maximum age as long as they pass medical, drug, and fitness screens. https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/08/06/...aw-enforcement 18. Coverage of the same policy in federal workforce outlets notes that this removal of the age cap is explicitly meant to enable the hiring of thousands more ICE agents for mass deportation plans funded by Congress. https://federalnewsnetwork.com/hirin...-deportations/ 19. A widely cited investigation reports that ICE academy training for certain officers was shortened to 47 days, down from approximately five months, just before a series of fatal shootings in Minneapolis. DHS disputes some details, saying basic training is now eight weeks plus on the job training, but does not deny that training has been compressed compared to older timelines. https://www.poynter.org/fact-checkin...reduced-trump/ 20. News coverage summarizing the same controversy says that ICE academy "days of training" were cut to 47 during Trump’s current term, and that Spanish language instruction was reportedly reduced or removed in favor of translation tools. https://people.com/ice-academy-train...eport-11881592 TRUMP’S CURRENT TERM: NEW INTERPRETATION OF HOME ENTRY AND WARRANTS 21. In May 2025, an internal ICE memo signed by Acting Director Todd Lyons, obtained by the Associated Press, instructed ICE officers that they may forcibly enter homes to make arrests using only administrative immigration warrants (Form I-205), not warrants signed by a judge. This is a major departure from longstanding practice that required a judicial warrant or consent for nonconsensual entry into a residence. https://apnews.com/article/00d0ab033...91b160758aeb2d 22. PBS and other outlets have reported on this memo as a significant shift in how ICE interprets its powers. Legal experts quoted in these reports state there is no clear judicial precedent supporting that position and that it likely violates the Fourth Amendment. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/...rant-memo-says 23. AP follow up reporting emphasizes that, before this memo, ICE raids generally relied on "knock and talks" and surveillance because officers could not legally force their way into a home with only an administrative warrant. https://apnews.com/article/26e9b492c...5c554c24695a23 TRUMP’S CURRENT TERM: MASSIVE INTERIOR SURGES AND CITIES 24. DHS and major media have described a shift toward large interior operations in Democratic-led cities, including deployments far from the border, and an increasing role for Border Patrol and other federal agencies in city-based enforcement. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...tion-crackdown 25. Minneapolis–St. Paul, Minnesota: Operation Metro Surge was described as the largest operation of its kind, involving thousands of federal personnel in the region. https://www.dhs.gov/news/2026/01/19/...ent-marks-3000 26. New Orleans, Louisiana: "Operation Catahoula Crunch" was reported as a major federal crackdown involving roughly hundreds of agents and a stated arrest target in the thousands. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-ice-crackdown 27. Charlotte, North Carolina: DHS announced "Operation Charlotte’s Web" and reporting describes a surge of federal immigration enforcement activity in and around Charlotte, with arrests also expanding to other North Carolina cities such as Raleigh. https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/11/15/...ns-terrorizing 28. Chicago, Illinois: AP reported that "Midway Blitz" involved nearly 550 arrests in the Chicago area over a defined operation window, including a mix of targeted arrests and collateral arrests. https://apnews.com/article/a09921fed...a4073abe31345e 29. Los Angeles, California and Washington, D.C.: Reuters and other reporting describe similar enforcement surges and operations tied to the administration’s broader interior crackdown, including activity in Washington, D.C. https://www.reuters.com/legal/govern...ys-2025-11-20/ 30. Cities reported by major national or regional outlets as sites where federal immigration agents physically conducted sweeping arrest activity during Trump’s current term include: Minneapolis–St. Paul; Chicago; Charlotte; Raleigh; New Orleans; Los Angeles; Washington, D.C.; Portland, Oregon; Pittsburgh; Phoenix; Nashville; Chelsea, Massachusetts; Lewiston, Maine; Portland, Maine. https://www.reuters.com/legal/govern...ys-2025-11-20/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/los...me-2025-06-09/ https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...tion-crackdown https://www.publicsource.org/pittsbu...increase-2025/ https://apnews.com/article/a09921fed...a4073abe31345e ARE "HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS" BEING ROUNDED UP WITH ZERO DUE PROCESS? 31. The overall scale of removals under Trump’s current term is large. Brookings estimates that ICE has deported roughly 540,000 people since Trump’s second term began in January 2025. https://www.brookings.edu/articles/i...-the-remedies/ 32. Historically and today, many removals occur under legal processes that are authorized by statute but can be extremely truncated. As noted earlier, by 2013 more than 83 percent of removals already took place without a full hearing before an immigration judge, through summary processes like expedited removal and reinstatement of prior orders. https://www.aclu-sdic.org/news/immig...gs-finds-aclu/ 33. What appears different now is the combination of large interior surges, compressed training and rapid hiring, the administrative-warrant home entry memo, and federal judges documenting repeated failures to comply with court-ordered process requirements in certain regions. https://www.reuters.com/legal/govern...ce-2026-01-27/ ARE UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS BEING SENT TO EL SALVADOR AND USED AS "SLAVE LABOR"? 34. There is credible reporting that during Trump’s current term, the United States has deported undocumented immigrants, including some with no confirmed violent criminal history, to third countries such as El Salvador rather than to their country of citizenship. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-...ts-2025-03-15/ 35. Reuters reported that the U.S. agreed to pay El Salvador approximately $6 million to detain about 300 deported Venezuelans for one year at the CECOT mega prison. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-...ns-2025-03-26/ 36. Court rulings have blocked or limited the use of the Alien Enemies Act in these cases, citing due process concerns and the need for a meaningful opportunity to challenge removal. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-...aw-2025-05-16/ 37. United Nations human rights experts warned in April 2025 that deportations from the U.S. to El Salvador appeared to lack due process and exposed deportees to a serious risk of arbitrary detention and abuse. https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-relea...es-el-salvador 38. Human Rights Watch documented allegations that Venezuelans deported from the U.S. to El Salvador were held incommunicado at CECOT, denied access to lawyers or family, and subjected to torture or severe mistreatment, including individuals with no known violent criminal convictions. https://www.hrw.org/report/2025/11/1...ezuelans-in-el 39. There is no verified evidence that undocumented immigrants deported to El Salvador are being used as forced labor by those governments. Documented allegations focus on imprisonment, abuse, and lack of due process, not confirmed labor extraction programs. https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-relea...es-el-salvador DETENTION LABOR INSIDE THE UNITED STATES 40. ICE detention centers operate "voluntary work programs" where detained immigrants may be paid as little as one dollar per day to cook, clean, and maintain facilities. https://www.americanimmigrationcounc...tention-system 41. Courts and juries have found that private detention operators violated state wage laws by paying detainees one dollar per day for work, resulting in large back pay verdicts and related rulings. https://www.reuters.com/legal/govern...ay-2025-01-16/ 42. These forced labor style allegations are tied to work performed inside U.S. detention facilities, not to confirmed forced labor performed abroad after deportation. https://www.reuters.com/legal/govern...ay-2025-01-16/ ARE ICE OFFICERS "NOT REALLY LAW ENFORCEMENT"? 43. Legally, ICE officers are federal law enforcement officers enforcing federal statutes. DHS and ICE’s official pages describe ICE as the largest investigative arm of DHS, responsible for enforcing hundreds of federal laws related to immigration and customs. https://www.ice.gov/about-ice 44. However, they are not general state and local police. ICE officers enforce federal immigration and customs law, not state criminal codes, and their civil immigration authority does not extend to U.S. citizens. https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-21-487 BETTER WAYS TO TARGET VIOLENT OFFENDERS AND PROTECT RIGHTS 45. DHS testimony from 2013 describes an enforcement strategy that prioritized people with serious criminal convictions, national security threats, recent border crossers, and repeat immigration violators, and this approach still coincided with very high removal totals. https://www.dhs.gov/news/2013/06/27/...ittee-national 46. Research and policy organizations have argued that enforcement can be narrowed to serious public safety threats and that alternatives to detention can be used for others, rather than defaulting to mass detention. https://www.americanimmigrationcounc...on-enforcement 47. Studies on alternatives to detention have found high compliance rates with immigration court hearings under supervision programs, suggesting mass detention is not the only way to ensure people show up. https://www.americanimmigrationcounc...asylum-seekers 48. GAO has recommended improved safeguards, training, and data tracking to reduce wrongful arrest, detention, or removal of potential U.S. citizens and others with lawful status. https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-21-487.pdf 49. Recent federal court actions in Minnesota show that a concrete "better way" is enforcing existing constitutional and court-ordered limits: timely bond hearings where required, obeying judicial orders, and not stretching administrative authority past what courts will tolerate. https://www.reuters.com/legal/govern...ce-2026-01-27/ SHORT VERSION OF THE CORE FACTS 50. ICE has been a major federal law enforcement agency since 2003 and was already removing hundreds of thousands of people per year and using fast track procedures long before Trump’s current term. https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/fy...priorities-and 51. Under Trump’s second term, ICE hiring has expanded, age limits have been loosened, training has reportedly been compressed for some roles, and large interior operations have been launched in multiple cities. https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/08/06/...aw-enforcement 52. There is documented evidence of due process controversies (including court interventions) and documented controversies involving detention conditions and ultra low paid detention labor, but there is no verified evidence of a program deporting undocumented immigrants for the purpose of slave labor abroad. https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-relea...es-el-salvador The End.
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01-31-2026, 09:00 PM
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Re: Man Shot by Immigration & Customs Enforcement in MN, Jan 24
Updates since 26 January 2026 Justice Department Civil Rights Investigation The U.S. Department of Justice has opened a civil rights investigation into the 24 January shooting of Alex Pretti by federal agents in Minneapolis. The investigation is being led by the DOJ Civil Rights Division and is separate from the Department of Homeland Security’s internal review. Federal officials have stated that the investigation includes witness interviews and evidence review. The Justice Department has not committed to releasing body camera footage publicly. Additional Video From Prior Encounter Video footage surfaced showing Alex Pretti in an encounter with federal agents approximately eleven days before his death. In the video, Pretti is seen during a tense interaction in which he appears to kick a federal vehicle and spit toward agents before being restrained. A family representative confirmed that Pretti is visible in the footage. Reporting notes that this video predates the fatal shooting and is not from the 24 January incident itself. Public Opinion Polling A statewide Minnesota poll conducted after the shootings of Renee Good and Alex Pretti found that a majority of respondents believed both shootings were unjustified. The poll reported that 61 percent of respondents believed the Good shooting was unjustified, and a plurality expressed the same view regarding the Pretti shooting. Vigils and Public Remembrance Vigils and memorial gatherings for Alex Pretti have continued beyond Minneapolis. On 31 January, more than 100 people gathered in Edwardsville, Illinois, to honor Pretti and other victims of federal agent shootings. Attendees described the event as both a remembrance and a call for accountability. Neighborhood Impact and Community Response Local reporting from Minneapolis describes the area near Nicollet Avenue where Pretti was killed as a continuing site of grief and protest. Residents and volunteers have established memorials, distributed food and supplies, and organized community support efforts while maintaining a visible protest presence. Judicial Ruling on Federal Operations A federal judge denied Minnesota’s request to halt Operation Metro Surge, the federal immigration enforcement initiative operating in Minneapolis. The judge ruled that the plaintiffs failed to demonstrate constitutional violations sufficient to stop the operation. State and local officials criticized the ruling, while federal authorities defended the legality of the enforcement activity. Federal Policy on Protest Intervention President Donald Trump issued guidance directing the Department of Homeland Security not to intervene directly in protests in Democratic-led cities unless local officials request assistance or federal property is threatened. The announcement followed criticism of federal deployments in Minneapolis after the Pretti and Good shootings. Growth of Civilian Monitoring Efforts Community monitoring efforts in Minneapolis have expanded, with tens of thousands of residents signing up for volunteer networks that observe and document immigration enforcement activity. Organizers state that the goal is to provide transparency, legal observation and community support during federal operations. Ongoing National Scrutiny National coverage has increasingly drawn comparisons between the Pretti shooting and prior controversial law enforcement killings. Civil rights advocates, legal analysts and elected officials continue to question discrepancies between official federal accounts and available video evidence. The DOJ civil rights investigation has intensified scrutiny of federal use-of-force practices. SOURCES https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...investigation/ https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/...fore-his-death https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/...e-unjustified/ https://www.theintelligencer.com/new...g-21326172.php https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...tti-was-killed https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...uest-ice-surge https://www.reuters.com/world/us/tru...is-2026-01-31/
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02-01-2026, 04:52 AM
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Re: Man Shot by Immigration & Customs Enforcement in MN, Jan 24
“ 5. Of those 409,849 removals in 2012, ICE reported that about 55 percent involved people with criminal convictions, including people convicted of homicide, sex offenses, and drug crimes.” So 45% didn’t have criminal convictions I think people now argue that the deportations are unfair because many don’t have a criminal record. Though no one protested this earlier. Do you have a theory as to why basically only Minnesota has escalations ? |