[Asgardian]

Originally Posted by niknik ↗

I'm not talking about the foolishness of grabbing the gun, or continuing the confrontation.

I'm talking about the act of going to get the gun.

There was no threat, there was no violence or threats of violence. So why go get the gun? To attempt to make someone do something, in this case leave.

That's not a good enough reason. You don't get to use deadly force, or threaten deadly force in such a situation. In this situation the act of brandishing the weapon is what turned this confrontation into violence.

People shouldn't own guns if they don't understand the responsibility it carries. This is a great example. This guy went and got his gun, not because he was afraid for his safety or anyone's safety. Or to defend his property. Or even as a precaution. He went and got the gun for only 1 reason. He was mad. And he had the attitude, "oh so you're not afraid of me, how about now".

You shouldn't ever go get a gun because you're mad, and you're on your property, therefore you have the right to use deadly force.

And with that, plus the circumstances of the relationship, and the fact his children stay at the residence. Makes it unconscionable to bring out the weapon.

After the weapon is out, sure in most circumstances that's self defense.

But circumstances matter. Just like if you and your buddy break into my home, and I ended up shooting and killing your buddy. You probably would be charged with murder of your buddy. Because your friend died while committing a crime you're responsible for.

This shooter likely committed a crime by going inside and coming back out with the weapon, intending on threatening the victim with it.

If that was a serious inquiry about getting the gun, the short answer is because not all threats are verbal.
If you are talking aggressively to me or my girlfriend, you've established yourself as confrontational and hostile to me or my "family".
If you walk onto someone's property and refuse to leave when told, you've established that you're willing to commit a crime (trespassing) and have no regard for your legal boundaries.

The moment you establish yourself as a hostile, confrontational person toward me and my family who has no regard for your legal boundaries, you are a threat.

You say, "People shouldn't own guns if they don't understand the responsibility it carries."

I say people owning guns should also teach you to understand the responsibility you carry for your choices and behavior.

[pragmatist]

They’re almost kissing each other

[Nero9112]

Why is there no fence? Looks too far out of the city for HOA rules. I live in Houston and have barbed wire fence surrounding my home.

[hysteria87]

Originally Posted by niknik ↗

I'm not talking about the foolishness of grabbing the gun, or continuing the confrontation.

I'm talking about the act of going to get the gun.

There was no threat, there was no violence or threats of violence. So why go get the gun? To attempt to make someone do something, in this case leave.

That's not a good enough reason. You don't get to use deadly force, or threaten deadly force in such a situation. In this situation the act of brandishing the weapon is what turned this confrontation into violence.

People shouldn't own guns if they don't understand the responsibility it carries. This is a great example. This guy went and got his gun, not because he was afraid for his safety or anyone's safety. Or to defend his property. Or even as a precaution. He went and got the gun for only 1 reason. He was mad. And he had the attitude, "oh so you're not afraid of me, how about now".

You shouldn't ever go get a gun because you're mad, and you're on your property, therefore you have the right to use deadly force.

And with that, plus the circumstances of the relationship, and the fact his children stay at the residence. Makes it unconscionable to bring out the weapon.

After the weapon is out, sure in most circumstances that's self defense.

But circumstances matter. Just like if you and your buddy break into my home, and I ended up shooting and killing your buddy. You probably would be charged with murder of your buddy. Because your friend died while committing a crime you're responsible for.

This shooter likely committed a crime by going inside and coming back out with the weapon, intending on threatening the victim with it.

That's what most people miss about this.

The guy got the gun to threaten the other guy, and people are surprised when he replied he'd take it from him??

It's a what was low level dispute and he decided, "let's get the gun out and threaten him, see what that does".

Then claiming self defence, from a situation you created? How about call the police if you didn't want him there any more, was he trying to get in the property by force? Did he threaten anyone prior to the gun being brought out?

I'd be asking these questions as a juror.

[niknik]

Originally Posted by Asgardian ↗

If that was a serious inquiry about getting the gun, the short answer is because not all threats are verbal.
If you are talking aggressively to me or my girlfriend, you've established yourself as confrontational and hostile to me or my "family".
If you walk onto someone's property and refuse to leave when told, you've established that you're willing to commit a crime (trespassing) and have no regard for your legal boundaries.

The moment you establish yourself as a hostile, confrontational person toward me and my family who has no regard for your legal boundaries, you are a threat.

You say, "People shouldn't own guns if they don't understand the responsibility it carries."

I say people owning guns should also teach you to understand the responsibility you carry for your choices and behavior.

Not all threats are verbal, but verbal cues are the best way to read the room. And speaking of nonverbal, the girlfriend didn't look concerned at all.

And talking aggressively? Who decides what aggressive is? And hostile? I didn't see anyone hostile or aggressive until the gun came out.

Trespassing is a misdemeanor. Not death penalty. And your last comment is exactly what I'm talking about.

Using a gun against another person is strictly for self defense. Not to teach someone anything, not because they are talking "aggressive". Not because they won't do what you tell them. Or because they are trespassing on your front lawn.

A threat? The guy who didn't touch anyone or threaten to . The only aggressive thing he said was I called the police, and I'm taking you to court.

That pussy went and got his gun because he was mad, and a pussy. Not because he couldn't whoop the guy, but because he used a gun. And involved himself in something that he had no business being involved in.

Then, after he kills the guy. He walks over next to him and stands there with the rifle still in his hands, arguing with the widow. Like the piece of garbage he is.

Wasn't man enough to handle the situation like a real man. Then isn't man enough to put his weapon down afterwards and either help the guy he shot, or allow his widow to. Not man enough to understand what he just did, and what the fuck is he standing there arguing for?

I'd question the manhood of anyone who even thinks this was a good shoot.

[JGT4]

Guns are awesome, instant asshole neutralizers

[Tiburon]

Originally Posted by JGT4 ↗

Guns are awesome, instant asshole neutralizers

Guns have their place but when pussies like you say stupid shit like that, it just shows you the fatal flaw behind letting all civilians have guns.

Small men with small dicks can pretend to be big boys with a gun in their hand

[ninjasalad]

Originally Posted by docfr8 ↗

You sound like an irrational fucktard all the answers... Go fuck yourself you piece of shit and happy fucking holidays on the sidelines.. Im quite sure you have been there your whole life.. Fagboy

How's the aneurysm coming along? Did you install cams in your trailer so we can all watch when it pops while you're cooking and we all get to see what happens when a deep fryer full of government cheese falls on your head?

[docfr8]

^^^

STFU SaladTosser you are so full of comedy and wisdom... You obviously dont know shit, but what you have given us some insight on how your life is... Go collect your stimulus check you half a *** fuckwit

[niknik]

Originally Posted by hysteria87 ↗

That's what most people miss about this.

The guy got the gun to threaten the other guy, and people are surprised when he replied he'd take it from him??

It's a what was low level dispute and he decided, "let's get the gun out and threaten him, see what that does".

Then claiming self defence, from a situation you created? How about call the police if you didn't want him there any more, was he trying to get in the property by force? Did he threaten anyone prior to the gun being brought out?

I'd be asking these questions as a juror.

I'm surprised he hasn't been arrested yet. I guess his ex is a judge in that district, word is he has a good relationship with the people in high places in that county. So I'm sure that's played a part since the local DA recused the office from the case and sent it to the state prosecutor.

I still believe he will be arrested and found guilty as long as the DA doesn't over charge him. I think he's guilty of manslaughter. A reckless action knowing the risks and possible results, yet disregarded .