[Billthegravedigger]

So I also thought so Kik. I knew you would not bullshit me, and I respect that about you. I just could not, and still can not figure out why people are having such a time believing that it is a man that exploded on impact after jumping or falling from the North Tower.

[dandroid]

especially considering the same footage was edited to conceal the spray in a documentary...

[kik]

OK we all know my thoughts on what happened so I wont say anything right now, so could someone please give me a plausible explanation as to what happens at 9:17?.

Cheers.

[Billthegravedigger]

Originally Posted by kik ↗

OK we all know my thoughts on what happened so I wont say anything right now, so could someone please give me a plausible explanation as to what happens at 9:17?.

Cheers.

Plausible ? Ok, I'll try. If you notice the man that comes out on the jagged pieces of the facade, he did not come out and down right away. He came out and stayed there for a minute or two, and then ducked back inside the tower.

The area where he is located is just beneath were Flight 175 hit the South Tower. I could be wrong, I have been before, but it seems as though he was dreading going out there on the facade, stuck his head back in to see if there was a better option, realized that there wasn't and started to come down a little.

I Think part of the floor collapsed, and when it did, it sent the guy flying out the window. If it had been an explosive blast from C-4 or something similar, it would have sent him out in pieces. He came out in one general piece though.

After that, the guy starts climbing down a bit. It is easy to see that he doesn't want to, but he has a very limited amount of choices to make. I think between the fire, and the internal segments of the tower begining to fail, he figured he would take his chances on the rope 800 feet off the ground.

It did not end well for him as we can see, but I guess it beat death by fire anyway. This is speculation of course, who knows if we will ever find out everything. No, we wont find out everything, that's a fact.

[WillArt]

Dude not denying people splatted from the trade center,we know. The point is this is so vague and when you put something on that 22 pages worth of people are having trouble seeing then you want to patronize me about a fire truck? I can fuckin see and know what a rectangular fire truck looks like. Like the rectangles you are sticking on things to show example and there is nothing there.Maybe you got like 80/80 vision or something,or it is so vague you have to use your imagination.I am not an architect so I have no idea what it is made of but find it hard to believe there is no sort of crete or rock or better yet some substance to create a spark. Thats besides the point, your probably right it probably was no rock it may well be people...may not the point is I or anyone else has any fuckin idea what we are really looking at and if we did then I would give it 4 thumbs down.The best thing that came from this thread was the pics you got from Chris,just my opinion.

Originally Posted by Billthegravedigger ↗

The above pictures did not pop up in order, but it is something my dumbass did, oh well. In these pictures here that Chris was nice enough to share with us, what do you see ? A dead man ? Yes.

Notice his surroundings as well, and open field for the most part. Notice the state of destruction his body shows. Not just his head cracked open like an egg, but his entire body is ruptured. The ground being dirt, absorbed some of the impact, yet he still had internal organs seperate from his body and scatter out around him.

His parachute did not open, at all. The pilot chute looks like it was going to open, but that is probably from the impact. I don't skydive, I am a solid 100 % chicken shit when it comes to heights, planes, or any of that shit, so if we have skydivers here, please elaborate.

Regardless, he hit at about 120 mph on dirt, which was enough to kill him obviously, but also destroyed his body as well. Imagine hitting concrete at about 140 mph...............what do you think that will do ?

[WillArt]

Dude not denying people splatted from the trade center,we know. This is so vague and when you put something on that 22 pages worth of people are having trouble seeing then you want to patronize me about a fire truck? I can see and know what a rectangular fire truck looks like. The rectangles I cant see anything in are the ones you put in there and there is nothing there.Maybe you got like 80/80 vision or something,or it is so vague we have to use our imaginations.I am not an architect so I have no idea what it is made of but find it hard to believe there is no sort of crete or rock or better yet some substance to create a spark. Thats besides the point, your probably right it probably was no rock it may well be people...may not the point is I or anyone else has any idea what we are really looking at and if we did then I would give it 4 thumbs down.The best thing that came from this thread was the pics you got from Chris,just my opinion.

Originally Posted by Billthegravedigger ↗

The above pictures did not pop up in order, but it is something my dumbass did, oh well. In these pictures here that Chris was nice enough to share with us, what do you see ? A dead man ? Yes.

Notice his surroundings as well, and open field for the most part. Notice the state of destruction his body shows. Not just his head cracked open like an egg, but his entire body is ruptured. The ground being dirt, absorbed some of the impact, yet he still had internal organs seperate from his body and scatter out around him.

His parachute did not open, at all. The pilot chute looks like it was going to open, but that is probably from the impact. I don't skydive, I am a solid 100 % chicken shit when it comes to heights, planes, or any of that shit, so if we have skydivers here, please elaborate.

Regardless, he hit at about 120 mph on dirt, which was enough to kill him obviously, but also destroyed his body as well. Imagine hitting concrete at about 140 mph...............what do you think that will do ?

[WillArt]

Yes of course and I cant even imagine that speed on concrete.I just wish it was defined a little better.

[Billthegravedigger]

I wasn't patronizing anyone. Some people for some reason are having trouble with the video. After everything that has been posted, video, pictures, the screen shots from the video I posted as well as 102 Minutes that changed America where you can clearly see that they edited the video to cut the impact of the jumper out......................if you can't tell what it is, I'm sorry about your fucking luck.

I have done all the explaining I am going to do. I have been nice through all of this with one smartass after another saying it's sparks, coke bottles, and office furniture. Think what you want, I don't care anymore.

Think about something though, the history channel cut it out, and you know they have state of the art video equipment that they can zoom in, make things clearer and all of that shit. Why would they edit out sparks ? Not to mention I saw a bunch of people die that way, and I know what I'm talking about. But fuck it, I don't care anymore. People can think what they want.

[Billthegravedigger]

Originally Posted by WillArt ↗

Yes of course and I cant even imagine that speed on concrete.I just wish it was defined a little better.

In that case, quit bitching and get your ass on the ball. Go and find some videos that are "more defined", and then post them here for everyone to see. Easy to complain when you have added nothing of value yourself huh ?

[Billthegravedigger]

By Willart

This is so vague and when you put something on that 22 pages worth of people are having trouble seeing then you want to patronize me about a fire truck? I can see and know what a rectangular fire truck looks like. The rectangles I cant see anything in are the ones you put in there and there is nothing there.

Check these pictures and see if it makes sense now. If you do not get it this time, it's safe to say you never will.
I said I was done explaining, but since you seem to feel duped, or patronized, I felt compelled to try one more time.


Look at the picture of the red mist of blood. Now look at the map. I was trying to show that the cameraman was next to the World Financial Center looking Southeast towards the Marriot Hotel, or World Trade Center # 3 if you prefer.

The blue lines show what the camera man was seeing while recording. The deep red rectangle is the firetruck. The small bright red rectangle shows where the jumper landed.

Now Willart, do you see what I was saying ? I was not being a smartass at first, after you said I was patranizing you though, my give a damn broke. I simply did the picture and map to show why everything looked the way it did, the jumper hit the handrail, then parts fell down behind the firetruck, and that is why you could not see it very good.