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06-11-2020, 04:47 PM
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 D.R.'s PM Casanova Poster Rank:28 ҍɘҍɘn Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 50,092
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Re: ISIS POV Execution
The Quran, with the right kind of reading. Repentance 9:44- "Those that believe in God and the Last Day will not beg you to exempt them from fighting with their wealth and with their persons." 9:81- "Those that stayed at home were glad that they were left behind by God's apostle, for they had no wish to fight for the cause of God with their wealth and with their persons. They said to eachother: 'Do not go to war, the heat is fierce' Say to them: 'More fierce is the hear of Hell-fire!' 9:111 "God has purchased from the faithful their lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for the cause of God, they will slay and be slain" 9:123 "Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. Know that God is with the righteous." So as you can see, it is possible to interpret the Quran as commanding them to fight and kill if they are true believers. whether or not that is valid per the meaning of the religion is a debate worth having, but at the very least it is quite easy to see the Quran could be used to justify this kind of murder. |
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06-12-2020, 04:14 AM
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And “with the right kind of reading” I can use the bible to show the entire human population is going to hell anyways... So that flower garden ya got, or that poly-cotton blend you’re wearing gave you your ticket to the fiery pits of hell. |
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06-12-2020, 10:59 AM
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except it looks like you have quoted the old testament, which is old jewish law. the whole point of the bible is that jesus is the son of god and he died for our sins and gave his life to save us all from the fiery pit of hell because all men are sinners. if all you can prove is all men are sinners, well that is not saying much. that is literally missing the whole point of the bible and Christianity, so Idk how much weight your reading holds, but OK! |
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06-12-2020, 01:36 PM
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Well then let’s talk post new testament here... Are you just going to gloss over the millions killed during the crusades or the conquest of the Americas? As george carlin said: do you believe in god? No?” (Kill them) “Do you believe in god? yes? Do you believe in MY god? No?” (Kill them) MY GOD HAS A BIGGER DICK THAN YOUR GOD! Christians have killed millions in the name of god and felt they were in the right, often times backed by the church. So remember when you point a finger, you have three pointing back at you, and I guess a thumb pointing towards god. |
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06-12-2020, 04:32 PM
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I am not religious, and even if I was, you could not blame me for past religious atrocities. The crusades were justified by the pope and there is nothing in any Cristian religious doctrine I am familiar with that really justifies murder of any kind, including the execution of "infidels" in the name of god. In fact, the bible teaches to "turn the other cheek" and to love your enemy. Just because the pope and institutional leaders during the middle ages said, "Deus Vult", to justify the crusades does not mean the crusades were necessarily justified. although I would argue the true purpose of the original crusade had nothing to really do with religion, but was instead a campaign to liberate trade roots and the byzantine empire from Turkish and Saracen invaders. That the Christian world was able to regain control of the "holy land" for a little while was a side benefit. I was not trying to bash on islam, just pointing out how people like those featured murdering people in this video would be able to justify their actions. while to Quran does preach peace in some parts, and you could argue that the book "Repentance" I quoted is concerning the historical struggle in which various warring, barbarian tribes of the middle easy were united under islam, my point still stands. The Quran can easily be used to justify violence. I don't think it is the same case for the bible, but my mind is open to being changed |
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06-12-2020, 09:22 PM
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I was. The Koran mentions Jews 23 times and Christians 15 times, and not one mention is favorable. Here is a sample: "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends". The Bible is silent on Islam because Islam is a later me-too reaction to Judeo-Christianity, founded in opposition to it. It is a death cult whose avowed purpose is to conquer the world by murder. If they want to mutilate little girls' genitals and rape their nephews and beat their wives, I don't care. I can't control everything people do. But if they want to kill or enslave me and mine, and they do, then they had better say their prayers for all the good it will do them. Wake the fuck up, y'all.
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06-13-2020, 10:31 PM
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As soon as that "music" starts, you know you're in for some high-quality family-friendly entertainment. With princes, princesses and talking snowmen.
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