[Bunnyman1962]

A view from down under ……..

Howdy all my American mates , you know for all your intelligence ( landing men the moon ect) it’s my solemn duty to declare that the lot of you are dumb as dog shit!

I watch from thousands mile away and despair for your country. You were once the beacon of light, smart, rich and uphold the values that my parents who instilled into me espoused.

My parents who fought side by side with you guys in the second WW would be astonished with your decay.

The last time I looked (like in OZ ) THE Federal Govt is responsible for immigration. Am I not correct?

Yet you have State elected cretins telling Trump “oh it’s ok they are illegals , they are lovely people, leave them alone and encouraging whack jobs of that state to protest against ICE.

I bet if that Dweeb Governor or Mayor or whatever the turd is was faced with Ballistic missiles fired from that Chinese fucktard or Putin heading towards Minnesota he be on the phone to Trump begging for protection!

But isn’t this what this about ? Protection for every legal US citizen?

Yeah Ice fucked up shooting smartarse who thought it was all a joke, yeah Ice fucked up with the overzealous dude, but let’s not let the Dweeb crying out Sanctuary State get off the hook.

This shit of blue state and red bores me to tears, You are the UNTITED STATES , Some laws are federal and some are state.

Fuck off when it comes to Immigration Minnesota ……just empty the rubbish bins! That’s your role!

….and let the Feds look after their back yard!

[wolfie]

Bunnyman1962 I see your point and many agree with you mate. Truth is though a state is sovereign territory and the Governor is King in that state. He has full control of Law Enforcement and National Guard in his state. So an order of cooperation is needed between state and federal authority.

There is not and will be none in Minnesota.The federal government is now setting up it's own police force in Minnesota to further their operation and to protect their officers that are doing these tasks. They can do this under a federal investigation and States cannot interfere. Typically state and federal will unite somewhat but not here. To be honest Federal authorities have always thought themselves better than local and state Law Enforcement.

Minnesota, a sanctuary state has had it's issues. The police are not respected and have shot white women over just as stupid a reason as this example. I would remind people of the woman who called for help and banged on the cruiser to get their attention on who called. Walking up to the drivers door she was shot and killed by the LE passenger a Somalian transplant.

Sanctuary cities for whatever reason want to shield people who came across the border illegally with out as far as I can tell any thought into making them productive. I don't know if they are housed on the states money. My guess is the tax payers are footing the bill. They in turn vote in who they want to run their government so assumption has to be made they want their money spent for this. It is a delema.

Trump ran on the ticket of gathering illegals up and deporting them. So his mandate is clear. There will be no compromise here,there is no compromise with Trump. The harder you push him the bigger the asshole he will become. You will get more by praising this guy than you ever will by opposing him. Vedderrman had the best idea I have heard so far and that is to let the states that want them have them. They of course would lose all federal monies and would be on their own. Problems will arise when one of these outlaws kill a citizen from another state.

Problem with what ICE is doing is you cannot just hunt for the gangs and rapists and murderers. As you look you find other people who too are not in the country legally. So as an Ice Officer what do you do when you find a person that has been here twenty years and is well respected in the community. Well you arrest them, for no exceptions have been made to give direction.

Exclusions could easily be made but again no cooperation. Some one has to be the adult in the room and people, we have not elected them. Term limits is needed and and tomorrow would not be soon enough.

[Bunnyman1962]

Thank you Wolfie for the explanation. The USA is definitely set up different from Oz. Here our states have clear responsibilities and the Federal Govt has their.

I understand there are plenty of good illegal immigrants who entered the USA only to make a better life for themselves and family.

What of the idea of a National Amnesty for all of those who are currently illegal . Step forward, provide your details , what you have done since being in the USA ECT.

Each case judged on its merits . If they pass then an interim citizenship be allowed pending a further review in say 5 years time. That way there is a reward to become a proud assimilated individual or family of the USA .

The current situation is a clusterfuck .

[Gorelord]

Originally Posted by Bunnyman1962 ↗

Thank you Wolfie for the explanation. The USA is definitely set up different from Oz. Here our states have clear responsibilities and the Federal Govt has their.

I understand there are plenty of good illegal immigrants who entered the USA only to make a better life for themselves and family.

What of the idea of a National Amnesty for all of those who are currently illegal . Step forward, provide your details , what you have done since being in the USA ECT.

Each case judged on its merits . If they pass then an interim citizenship be allowed pending a further review in say 5 years time. That way there is a reward to become a proud assimilated individual or family of the USA .

The current situation is a clusterfuck .

Amnesty has been shot down already for years, for very good reasons. One, it’s a giant middle finger to those already in the process for years trying to do it legally. And two, it relies way too much on people turning themselves in, many of whom would be deported regardless, for all kinds of reasons.

Blanket amnesty is political suicide for a party in the US.

[wolfie]

Originally Posted by Gorelord ↗

Amnesty has been shot down already for years, for very good reasons. One, it’s a giant middle finger to those already in the process for years trying to do it legally. And two, it relies way too much on people turning themselves in, many of whom would be deported regardless, for all kinds of reasons.

Blanket amnesty is political suicide for a party in the US.

Only a problem when you do not manage it. Political suicide maybe but if both parties come up with a logical method, maybe doable. Neither party will take a chance for fear of loosing their support within the party.
What will work is voluntarily turning yourself in and having record checks . That won't happen though with many who cannot afford a record check.

It is a damn shame. I have hired different race and nationality groups for work before. All worked hard, listened to instruction, and stayed at task. We as a country are missing out taking advantage of this work ethic. Our politicians suck. Instead of arguing among ourself we need to voice it to the state and federal houses.

[Nitro187]

This thread should be closed.

From the available reports on the ICE agent fatal shooting of Renee Good in Minneapolis, the situation is deeply divisive and people are unlikely to agree because they’re interpreting the same events through completely different lenses.

From one perspective, the ICE agent was struck by the vehicle, suffering internal injuries, and that under federal use-of-force policy a law enforcement officer is allowed to use deadly force if they reasonably believe their life is in danger.

Critics of the agent’s actions point to video and analysis showing Good driving forward while turning away from him, ramming him, and argue those facts call into question the need for lethal force.

There are also arguments that the encounter escalated because the agent approached her vehicle and attempted to engage her — something that, legally, police and federal agents can do only under certain conditions. From this viewpoint, Good’s panic and poor decision-making don’t justify killing her; had the encounter been handled differently, it might not have ended in a fatal shooting.

It’s a deeply emotional and complex incident and people on each side are entrenched in their interpretations, so this discussion isn’t going anywhere productive — much like how some debates never reach consensus because everyone sees only what they want to see; much like the blue/black vs. gold/white dress. Eventually, the facts will come out that gives a solid answer either way... at least we hope.

For those reasons, this conversation won’t reach agreement and should be closed; just my opinion. I'm tired of seeing it at the top of my feed with ZERO NEW IMAGES\VIDEOS.

[Gorelord]

Originally Posted by Nitro187 ↗

This thread should be closed.

From the available reports on the ICE agent fatal shooting of Renee Good in Minneapolis, the situation is deeply divisive and people are unlikely to agree because they’re interpreting the same events through completely different lenses.

From one perspective, the ICE agent was struck by the vehicle, suffering internal injuries, and that under federal use-of-force policy a law enforcement officer is allowed to use deadly force if they reasonably believe their life is in danger.

Critics of the agent’s actions point to video and analysis showing Good driving forward while turning away from him, ramming him, and argue those facts call into question the need for lethal force.

There are also arguments that the encounter escalated because the agent approached her vehicle and attempted to engage her — something that, legally, police and federal agents can do only under certain conditions. From this viewpoint, Good’s panic and poor decision-making don’t justify killing her; had the encounter been handled differently, it might not have ended in a fatal shooting.

It’s a deeply emotional and complex incident and people on each side are entrenched in their interpretations, so this discussion isn’t going anywhere productive — much like how some debates never reach consensus because everyone sees only what they want to see; much like the blue/black vs. gold/white dress. Eventually, the facts will come out that gives a solid answer either way... at least we hope.

For those reasons, this conversation won’t reach agreement and should be closed; just my opinion. I'm tired of seeing it at the top of my feed with ZERO NEW IMAGES\VIDEOS.

Or….instead of writing a thesis on why it should be closed, this bumping it to the top of everyone’s feed as well, you could just not come to this thread.

[Rikbikboo]

The person is right though. there does not need to be any name calling simply for having a view or stance.

Im against illegal immigration and I agree the law is too lax leading to some in the UK taking so many years to be appealed, usually paid for out of the public purse that the new political tool has been to generate more hate towards them which has led to this situation in the states.

All legally arriving migrants should be welcomed. Law abiding, working and contributing to the greater good. Those that break the law should be deported, make it clear that if they break the law they go.

The public ended up voting Trump in and he's gone in at full power and has started to remove anyone illegal.. Remember the public voted for this. Now people are getting shot in the face they are crying that its too much.

But, the long and short of it is. If the woman would have done as she was told and stopped the car she would still be alive. I don't agree with it and it will probably go through the courts for years to come. Regardless of the "they don't have the right to stop you" She was told to stop and she did'nt. Now, Im not a bootlicker and with all those cameras filming it would have been prudent to stop. I would have stopped. Then, if I was slapped around there would have been video evidence. That said I just would not put myself in that position for precisely so that I would not reach my demise when I can sit here comfortably and express my opinion albeit it right or wrong Sadly and play armchair lawyer. What do I think? my opinion is While there is video evidence of her getting the bullet, due to the narration of the story the shooter is likely not going to see anything in the way of an arrest with the president behind him. I guess maybe a civil lawsuit later maybe.

But what no one seems to be saying is that they are getting what they were complaining about, ie-the illegal entrees/overstayers removed. But they don't like it, despite making such a noise about the issue. Now its actually happening in their front gardens the normal joe does'nt like it and wants it to stop.

This is what you voted for. I wonder if we will see similar snatch gangs operating in the UK if Reform take over. It seems like we hurtle ever closer towards the precipice of demise humanity.


The worst has yet to come. Enjoy your coffee in your warm house in your safe country. Mind your own fucking business and maybe just maybe you'll learn to appreciate just how good you really have it.

Not going to engage or call anyone names. If you disagree thats fine. I am of the view that if you take risks ands you know the danger then its on you when shit goes south.

Trumps seems a bit of an asshole But he gets stuff done. like it or not he does seem to be getting stuff done. That said, it could be said hes a western dictator, pirate, bully, great war ender (all 7 at last count)

But that's what you voted for. Remember that and stop crying like little bitches because you cant handle seeing what you asked for being done in front of your eyes.

[pinballwiz]

The lesbians were blocking the road to impede ICE as part of their radicalized rhetoric to disrupt federal law enforcement. (Yes, for the idiots in the room this is domestic terrorism) I'm glad she ate the bullet.

[Gorelord]

Originally Posted by Rikbikboo ↗

The person is right though. there does not need to be any name calling simply for having a view or stance.

Im against illegal immigration and I agree the law is too lax leading to some in the UK taking so many years to be appealed, usually paid for out of the public purse that the new political tool has been to generate more hate towards them which has led to this situation in the states.

All legally arriving migrants should be welcomed. Law abiding, working and contributing to the greater good. Those that break the law should be deported, make it clear that if they break the law they go.

The public ended up voting Trump in and he's gone in at full power and has started to remove anyone illegal.. Remember the public voted for this. Now people are getting shot in the face they are crying that its too much.

But, the long and short of it is. If the woman would have done as she was told and stopped the car she would still be alive. I don't agree with it and it will probably go through the courts for years to come. Regardless of the "they don't have the right to stop you" She was told to stop and she did'nt. Now, Im not a bootlicker and with all those cameras filming it would have been prudent to stop. I would have stopped. Then, if I was slapped around there would have been video evidence. That said I just would not put myself in that position for precisely so that I would not reach my demise when I can sit here comfortably and express my opinion albeit it right or wrong Sadly and play armchair lawyer. What do I think? my opinion is While there is video evidence of her getting the bullet, due to the narration of the story the shooter is likely not going to see anything in the way of an arrest with the president behind him. I guess maybe a civil lawsuit later maybe.

But what no one seems to be saying is that they are getting what they were complaining about, ie-the illegal entrees/overstayers removed. But they don't like it, despite making such a noise about the issue. Now its actually happening in their front gardens the normal joe does'nt like it and wants it to stop.

This is what you voted for. I wonder if we will see similar snatch gangs operating in the UK if Reform take over. It seems like we hurtle ever closer towards the precipice of demise humanity.


The worst has yet to come. Enjoy your coffee in your warm house in your safe country. Mind your own fucking business and maybe just maybe you'll learn to appreciate just how good you really have it.

Not going to engage or call anyone names. If you disagree thats fine. I am of the view that if you take risks ands you know the danger then its on you when shit goes south.

Trumps seems a bit of an asshole But he gets stuff done. like it or not he does seem to be getting stuff done. That said, it could be said hes a western dictator, pirate, bully, great war ender (all 7 at last count)

But that's what you voted for. Remember that and stop crying like little bitches because you cant handle seeing what you asked for being done in front of your eyes.

Nope. The people whining now are the same ones whining before. Leftist retards. They’re just getting louder. As children do when they don’t get their way.