[Tornadolen]

I can only but hope this thread remains open, and that freedom of speech shall not perish

[Vincentsdream]

If cops can get away with killing a woman in her sleep, they'll get away with this.

[kellyhound]

Originally Posted by DegoLocc ↗

I hear you man. Unfortunately the voting public disagreed and went for the man harder than they did in 2016 or 2020. He only gained support. He has more support today than he did on Jan 6th 2020.

Period
Approval Rating January 2020 = 44%
Disapproval Rating January 2020 = 53%

Approval Rating January 2026 = 41%
Disapproval Rating January 2025 = 59%

Half of all Trump voters voted for him because of economy/inflation/job security and 12 to 20% because of (illegal) immigration and 14% because of abortion.

Approximately 50% of Trump voters self-identified themselves as MAGA Republicans at the end of 2025 while 70% did so early 2025.

Partially blocking a road may violate local traffic laws (e.g., obstruction or failure to maintain a lane), but this falls under local or state police jurisdiction, not ICE.

Protesters blocking roads without permits are often subject to dispersal orders and arrest if they refuse.

ICE agents, however, cannot intervene primarily for the blockage unless they independently have grounds for an immigration arrest (e.g., targeting a specific removable individual in the car).

ICE may only stop a vehicle if agents have reasonable suspicion (based on specific, articulable facts) that an occupant is violating immigration laws, or if executing an administrative warrant for a specific person.

They cannot use pretextual traffic stops (e.g., claiming a traffic violation when the real intent is immigration enforcement), as restricted by settlements like Castañon Nava v. DHS and federal guidelines.

If no immigration-related basis exists for the stop, any resulting arrest or removal from the vehicle could violate the Fourth Amendment.

She is clearly trying to get away from getting arrested by backing up and steering to the right to get around that car and not ramming into that ICE agent but he chose to not fire at the tires but directly on her while he wasn't hit.

[Faust]

Originally Posted by kellyhound ↗

Partially blocking a road may violate local traffic laws (e.g., obstruction or failure to maintain a lane), but this falls under local or state police jurisdiction, not ICE.

She actively obstructed on duty federal agents..
That is not a local traffic law violation is it?

I disagree with ICE, but let’s not pretend that this was a mere traffic violation

[davebaron666]

He is not a police, he is an ICE agent.

He doesnt have any right to order a civilian out of his car.

He doesnt have to stand in front of the car, even if we can call first shot somewhat acceptable (which is not because he is not a cop) he doesnt have to keep shooting from side.

I watched probably thousands police shootings videos in almsot 30 years and 99% of cases police were right.

This is simply a murder commited by an untrained police wannabe.

[Faust]

He is a federal agent;

The United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is a federal law enforcement agency under the United States Department of Homeland Security.

[DegoLocc]

So I'm not saying this is what happened because we just don't know yet, but hypothetically if she was following ICE around prior to this video, and purposely using her car to block them/get in their way/stop them from executing whatever order or warrant or whatever they where en route too because she was acting as an "activist", do you really think the federal agents have to recourse to detain her if she's obstructing them?

Sorry, if that's the case, that ICE officer is going to walk scott free. I'm not saying it's right. But that's how it will go down.

Now if she was just innocent bystander who got stuck pulling out in front of ICE, I don't think they had the ability to stop or detain her, and shit will hit the fan.

There will be facts coming out, probably more videos in the coming days either way. So we shall see.

[Faust]

wtf is the Fox News guy even trying to imply here?

[Faust]

Btw the agent jumped out of the way and the first shot was directly through the front window. I’ll upload a slomo later

[akham]

Originally Posted by Rikbikboo ↗

I see a lady in her car blocking the road telling people to go round.

She is not completely blocking the road. There is footage of her car stopped across the road, but other vehicles driving past.

However I think there is sufficient evidence to say that she was trying to obstruct law enforcement.

Now I dont know about you but when I see what by all accounts are a type of law enforcement- armed at that telling me stop I think I will stop. The reason I would stop is because I dont want to get shot and the fact there are people recording all around me and members of the public I would hope me stopping, whether I am arrested or not would be enough to keep me safe.

Id like to know if she intentionally blocked the road.

Overall it appears to me a leyperson from the videos I have just watched that she could have stopped the car and complied.

However none of that has any relevance at all to the question of whether shooting her was lawful. It just does not matter.

From the moment she drove towards that officer and made contact with her car she messed up.

The question is did he have lawful justification to shoot, and its not as simple as you say.

It is common for law enforcement to stand in front of a vehicle to stop it from leaving. You can see that on hundreds of bodycam videos, and there was a claim that agents are trained to do that. However its hard for an agent to justify that they were forced to shoot a fleeing person because they would be run over when it was in fact the agent's own choice to put themselves in that position.

If you were shopping and got into an argument with a member of the public and they drove at you like that using their car vyou would want them arrested.

That is not a valid comparison. The comparison would be: If you were shopping and got into an argument with a member of the public and you stood in front of their car to prevent them from leaving, if they tried to leave and you were standing there you would want them arrested.

At which time, the Police you called might as you "Why the fuck were you standing there in the first place? You created the problem you are complaining about".

brought it on herself then. Sorry if anyone does'nt like it. When you are told to stop. Stop.

You can't shoot someone just because they don't stop.