[Hell-Razor]

Youre dumb

[gruesomejoy]

When the man was told repeatedly to remove his hands from underneath his clothes, was simply for the officer's safety and of the suspect's. On multiple occassions, this is where a suspect is reaching for the concealed weapon to draw it upon the other person. With totality of circumstances, the man in white now a suspect, fleeing from L.E., being non- compliant, and reaching inside his pants gave the LEO all articulable facts to stop the threat. By making this call, saved lives of all bystanders from stray bullets and the lives of the officers. In the life of an LEO, it isnt just black and white. There are gray lines in between. At the end of the day, the bad guy doesn't care if you make it home to your family or not.

As far as medical attention, LEO's are not doctors and therefore cannot pronounce the subject dead. The LEO's job is to remove the weapon from the subject and perform an immediate patdown for more weapons in which he did, just in case the subject attempted to injure or kill. Then, the subject is to be handcuffed.

[ilovecops32]

How many times are we going to post this fucking video....?

[1Monster666]

Somewhere someone is pissed

[Evil Twin]

Originally Posted by 1970johnnyhunter ↗

You're description is somewhat askew. Earphones or not, the suspect eventually turned and faced the cop so there is no denying that he saw a cop in uniform with a gun pointed at him. The suspect, innocent as he was, CHOSE to keep walking away, backwards, ignoring police order WITH his hands in his pants, unseen to the officer. How fucking hard is it to understand when a cop tells you to stop and put your hands up, stop and put your hands up. What if he HAD a gun hidden in his pants and was walking away like that to stall for time to draw his weapon and then shot and killed the cop? That's what the cop was thinking I'm sure. Bottom line, you see a cop with his gun pointed at you, you stop and put your hands in the air. this dumb fuck killed himself by his stupid choices.

In the officer's defense, I understand why he would have his duty weapon drawn, since what he thought was his suspect was walking away from him, not realizing the guy was walking away because he couldn't hear. Police officers spend a good portion of their day dealing with unsavory people, and it's understandable for them to be on their guard, especially given this particular set of circumstances.

With respect, here is where I see your argument is flawed. The officer had the upper hand and knew it. His sidearm was drawn and aimed before the guy ever turned around. As soon as the man's hands moved, the officer fired. No chance for the man to raise his hands, much less for the officer to see if the man even had anything in his hands. It wasn't like the officer had to out-draw the guy, he had already drawn down on him. He only had to pull the trigger.

The police are to be held to a higher standard than the average citizen. They are supposed to train on a regular basis so this doesn't happen. And the cookie cutter excuse which is so often used, "I feared for my life", wouldn't hold water in this case either. Let's say the guy did have a gun and the scene played out exactly the same. The guy was shot before a gun could have been raised from either hand. At no time was the officer's life truly in danger. That's what he signed up for when he went into academy and he knew it. This was simply poor judgement, and now another innocent person is dead.

How many of these have to happen before we stop calling them isolated incidents?

[kguk]

Another example of how badly trained US cops are. Apart from dealing with the situation the worst way possible he seemed to have no first aid knowledge either.

[Evil Twin]

Originally Posted by Zodiac1974 ↗

Sorry bro but you clearly have no idea. firstly the limbs are much harder targets to hit and you see when your taught to use a fire arm in law enforcement, the objective it to neutralise the offender as quick as possible to avoid any further threat to the public. How many guys smacked up on meth do you think are going to cooperate after taking a warning shot in the leg, or maybe they just might unload their clip at anything in site to go out in a blaze of glory. But hung on Zodiac1974, how do we know that hes on drugs. Maybe the police should have a check list before pulling their guns.
1. Excuse me sir but are you on drugs?
2. Excuse me sir but do you intend on using your gun?
3. Excuse me sir but are you.... BANG BANG BANG!

Innocent victims dead, Cops Dead... Members of the Dumb Asses American public of Dumb Asses no complaining why didnt the police act sooner.

Because you stupid fucking morons, your police force are on high alert because you make it so dam easy for any fucktard to own a fire arm. You only have your selves to blame!
Fireman goes into burning building with his hose extinguishing every thing in site.. why? Coz he's afraid of getting burnt... Need i draw you all a fucking diagram!

Look i love shooting a gun as much as the next man but fuck me, i dont need to be packing heat on the street here in Australia because no one else is! Insecurity fed by Insecurities!

It took me a bit to find the link, but here it is. You say no one else is carrying on the streets of Australia, yet YOUR Australian news source from 2013 says more than 9000 firearms were taken in a 12 month period from the streets of NSW alone! A full 15 years after they were supposedly all confiscated. This report points out the fact that of the government (under)estimated 3.5 to 4 million total stock of firearms in Australia, they only collected just over 640,000 out of the 1.5 million they were expecting to collect. And you say nobody feels the need to carry there? So much for your insecurity theory. Before you go bashing another country on a topic where you obviously know so little, try looking out your own window first.

Speaking of insecurity, your firefighter analogy is completely false as well. If a firefighter's reason for dragging an attack line into a building with him is because he is afraid of getting burnt, he has no business crawling through that door in the first place. Priority one is to protect life. Next priority is to protect property. Engine crews are the only ones tasked with fighting the fire, and thus are the only one to have water when they go in. Truck crews go in with axes and Haligan bars and pike poles and NO water to do search and rescue.

Fighting fire, just as with police work, is a dangerous business. It's a public service and a calculated risk not to be taken lightly. It's part of the job and there is no room for cowards or blowhards or reactionary mentalities.

[Zodiac1974]

Originally Posted by Evil Twin ↗

It took me a bit to find the link, but here it is. You say no one else is carrying on the streets of Australia, yet YOUR Australian news source from 2013 says more than 9000 firearms were taken in a 12 month period from the streets of NSW alone! A full 15 years after they were supposedly all confiscated. This report points out the fact that of the government (under)estimated 3.5 to 4 million total stock of firearms in Australia, they only collected just over 640,000 out of the 1.5 million they were expecting to collect. And you say nobody feels the need to carry there? So much for your insecurity theory. Before you go bashing another country on a topic where you obviously know so little, try looking out your own window first.

Speaking of insecurity, your firefighter analogy is completely false as well. If a firefighter's reason for dragging an attack line into a building with him is because he is afraid of getting burnt, he has no business crawling through that door in the first place. Priority one is to protect life. Next priority is to protect property. Engine crews are the only ones tasked with fighting the fire, and thus are the only one to have water when they go in. Truck crews go in with axes and Haligan bars and pike poles and NO water to do search and rescue.

Fighting fire, just as with police work, is a dangerous business. It's a public service and a calculated risk not to be taken lightly. It's part of the job and there is no room for cowards or blowhards or reactionary mentalities.

Ok good quote, you really put a lot of thought into that! Firstly, im completely aware that there are shootings here in Australia too. But if you had the decency to fully quote my comment accurately, you would clearly see that my point has nothing to do with saying that there is no shootings here in Australia. My Point is that fire arms are not so easily accessible in this country so therefore, our police being on such high alert as a result of so many members of the public carrying firearms. Wow how the fuck dis you misinterpret that? Secondly the role of any Police Officer whether in the US or Australia is enforce the law and to serve and protect! So if one member of the public chooses to place public safety at risk through is own agenda of aggression or violence. Then he's the one taking the calculated risk. Its people like you that are quick to complain about a guy getting shot by the police and yet contradict your self by why didnt the police act sooner when its you or a member of your family who fall victim to offenders like this. Its a very fine line in the sand and all well and good to judge until its you who has to react within a split second!

[Evil Twin]

Originally Posted by Zodiac1974 ↗

Ok good quote, you really put a lot of thought into that! Firstly, im completely aware that there are shootings here in Australia too. But if you had the decency to fully quote my comment accurately, you would clearly see that my point has nothing to do with saying that there is no shootings here in Australia. My Point is that fire arms are not so easily accessible in this country so therefore, our police being on such high alert as a result of so many members of the public carrying firearms. Wow how the fuck dis you misinterpret that? Secondly the role of any Police Officer whether in the US or Australia is enforce the law and to serve and protect! So if one member of the public chooses to place public safety at risk through is own agenda of aggression or violence. Then he's the one taking the calculated risk. Its people like you that are quick to complain about a guy getting shot by the police and yet contradict your self by why didnt the police act sooner when its you or a member of your family who fall victim to offenders like this. Its a very fine line in the sand and all well and good to judge until its you who has to react within a split second!

My intention was not to misquote or misinterpret what you said, and if I did, I apologize for doing so. It's not a matter of decency, I just took your words at face value as to what I thought you were trying to say. You stated that the police in America are on high alert because it is easy to obtain a firearm. Being a firefighter, I respond to the same scenes as a lot of police officers, and am on a first name basis with many of them as a result. Most of them will admit that they have nothing to fear from an armed population, as most people are not criminals.

America does not have a gun problem, it has a criminal problem. Taking firearms away from innocent civilians will just lead to the same problem Australia now has. The illegal guns are still there, it's just that you, the innocent Aussie, is the one who now pays the price by having to face an armed criminal on unequal footing.

The United States is not an island. We have porous borders, and it is a proven fact that many crime guns have come in from Mexico, even though it is easy enough to legally obtain a firearm here in the states. But criminals don't want legal, traceable firearms. They want black market firearms which cannot be traced back to them. If they have a disqualifying conviction which prevents them from purchasing a firearm through a legal route, they get someone else to go into a gun shop to do it for them via straw purchase (also highly illegal). Criminals will ALWAYS find a way to get a gun.

You used a firefighter example, so will I. Do you keep a fire extinguisher in your kitchen? You don't need one! Get rid of it! Only firefighters should have fire extinguishers. Besides, we'll be there in about 10 minutes to put out that little grease fire on your stove. But 10 minutes later when we get there, that little grease fire now has the back half of your house, and potentially your attic and all of its contents engulfed in flames. If you had an extinguisher you could have dealt with the threat immediately instead of waiting for it to grow into a massive fire that only an engine crew is capable of putting out. Sounds like a pretty silly argument not to have a fire extinguisher. The same applies to firearms.

I don't depend on the police to protect me or my family. That's my job, not theirs. The United States Supreme Court has even ruled that the police have no duty to protect someone.

I have read a lot of your posts and agree with you on many points. I just can't agree with you on this one. My liberty and safety mean too much to me.

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