[Billthegravedigger]

Originally Posted by quen_to ↗

Thats the problem. And now shut up or we attack you

But just tell me one point I don't get: Why the fuck are you supporting, that fathers ond brothers of your nation go a damn disctance to a location to die for... for what? What do you gain in this war? I don't get it. The united states have a lot of problems inside to solve. Why don't stopp this fucking killing all over the world and use this power to solve your own problems? And you have a lot!

I mean, look, your super-President Obama signed on silvester last your the NDAA. This is a increasement of the Patriot Act. You know the difference? With the NDAA, the state is even able to bring American people in jail without any chance of a trial. I mean is it this what you want? Your forefathers died for freedom and your generation fight in countrys you don't have to be but don't get, that your state is turning against his own people... I realy don't understand it!

Ron Paul for President 2012 ;-)

Sorry for my grammar and spelling, I know. I would rather post in german but nobody will understand me better i think ;-)

Your grammar is fine, besides, plain talk is easily understood. Why do we support anyone ? There are so many different answers to a question like that. I will tell you how I feel personally.

I was talking to another person on here a little while ago, and this sort of topic came up. When I was still in highschool, there were two white guys I know that were going to jump this black kid........just for being black. What the fuck is up with something like that ?

I told them that shit wasn't going to work, one on one or none. They backed off, but a few days later, them another 3 jumped MY ass. They worked me over pretty good too, it is an asswhipping I will not forget, let me put it that way.

I have steel resolve if nothing else, and I caught each one of them out by themselves. One on one, they were no match, and they knew it. I got satisfaction from beating their asses like they did mine.........at first.

Then I realized something, though I did not team up on them, I had in some ways sunk to their level. They were afraid they could not take me on alone, and they were right. I realized I could stomp their guts out if I wanted to, and did. What did I prove ? Nothing. I did not do it to show I was a badass, because I am not. I have had my ass kicked before, but I have never ran from it, and never will. Did I really prove anything to them ?

If I did, it was this. If my OWN two brothers tried to gang up and jump one person, even if I hated that person, I would step in and tell them one on one, or none. If a person can not fight their own battles, they do not need to fight them at all. I have always been that way, if you want to fight I would tell someone, lets fight. Leave your gang and weapons at home. If you want to fight, fight like a man, not a chickenshit coward that can't face an asswhipping. I told each one of those guys after I was done with them, if you jump me again, you better make damn sure I am dead when you are done with me.

As bad as they whipped my ass, I would do it all over again. That guy could not help being born black, and did nothing to those racsist fucks, except be where they could see him. Is that really any reason to want to hurt someone ? Because they were born a certain way ? I am ugly as hell and 6 feet 6 inches tall, and weigh around 260 pounds. I could not help being born the way I am, but there are some out there that would take one look at me and write me off as a person that is not worth a shit, and would decide they do not like me because of it.

If I am going to take the time and effort to "hate" someone, it will be someone that has given me a reason too. They way someone looks is no reason, nor their color, ethnic background, or any of that shit. I don't hate you, or anyone else on here. There a a very few I dislike, but I stay away from them. Imagine how much time and effort you waste on hating a person you do not even know. That is time you can spend with family, friends, or just trying to make the day go a bit better.

I do not hate Muslims in general ok ? If that is the way it sounded, I am sorry. At the same time, when people come on here and make anti American remarks, call me dumb, or what ever, I spout shit back at them, and that is it. I wont waste my time hating someone that thinks I am this or that. FUCK THEM. Let them think whatever the hell they want to. Had you read any comments that were made leadingt up to what John and I wrote ? Did we not have any right to say anything ? That is funny. I will tell you this, I do not care if the police, the president, or GOD himself is next to me, if you say something to me, I am going to say something back. I lost a close friend on 9/11, and saw some very horrible shit, and when people say shit like we were asking for it, I tell them to fuck themselves. All my friend did was go to work to support his family, and he deserved to die that way ? What about the poor pregnant woman that splattered all over the plaza between the towers ? Did she, or her INNOCENT child deserve that ? Even as bad as that was, I am of the opinion that we will try to help the underdog if we can. I know I personally will.

Call me what you want, but if more than one person was try to beat your ass at one time, I would step in, even if I took some damage myself.

[tannersmith]

Originally Posted by quen_to ↗

Ron Paul for President 2012 ;-)

+1
Ron Paul for President 2012!

[Billthegravedigger]

Quen to, you have some very valid points. The problem with me is I do not know everything that you, or others know. So much of the time we humans are trying to force our knowledge onto other people, and we do not give them time to take it all in and make a choice on the presented information. We take for granted that what we know is absolute, and it might be to us, but if someone doesn't know, or has not seen the same things that you have seen, it takes a little more to convince them.

That is where shit can go bad quickly. I have in the past tried to convince others that my viewpoint was right, and would get mad if they did not realize it to be the truth fast enough. I also started to notice that you present the information instead of force it down their neck, and give them some time, they will be more accepting of what you have to say, and will take you much more serious.

I don't go by this rule all the time, because let's face it, we will never see eye to eye on everything. When the subject is important though, I try to leave some room for others to come to their own conclusion. You seem to be pretty intelligent, and level headed. Even when you made the comment about being part of a dying race, I could still tell there was more to your statement. That is why I just popped back that you were part of that same race. I figured you had something fairly interesting to say, and knew if I blasted back with some really horrible shit, that it would shut down the avenues of communication. I enjoy learning everything I can, from anyone I can. We could have focused on our differences, but we will both gain more if we focuse on our similarities.

I have three daughters whom I love more than life it's self. I can and do understand you wanting them to grow up in a peaceful and prosperous world. That is the sign of a good parent, when you want your children to have a better and more meaningful life than you have had. I feel the same way, and that is why I try to learn anything and everything I can, from anyone willing to share. I like most others will go into shutdown mode when and if someone tries to tell me everything they know as the absolute truth and authority. You have not done that, and I appreciate it, and look forward to talking more with you.

[gorbatschow]

Originally Posted by Sharon. ↗

That is actually very true!! The UK's BBC news have some fucked-up political agenda and are always biased.

Immigrants here are getting housing and benefits easier than our own people and my husband and I know fine fucking well that is true from observations made within how our council practice and the occupancy of all newbuilds - ALL black, Polish and other Can we get a look-in?? Can we fuck, it's shocking and we have even wrote to our MP about it.

Our Government are telling the biggest lies even in regards to how locals complain about the majority of jobs within London go to foreigners. "They do what we won't do" - absolute BULLSHIT, you lying cunts I know mant nationals who are desperately seeking employment and don't get a look in.

We are very angry and frustrated here in London, UK. It's getting worse thanks to open-door immigration. It's not the immigrants fault, they want a better life and know they will certainly get it here but the Government need to pull in the reigns on how many are let in each year.

The council house shortages are atrocious. We applied to live in our neighbouring borough but got firmly rejected with no chance of appeal because "we have no affinity or connection with the area". OMFG I emailed them in fury saying well if that is the case, how do you account for all the non-UK residents that are quickly occupying empty housing? Got no answer of course.

This is not 'racism', this is how it really is. In fact, most white nationals feel they are the ones being punished. We struggle to get housing and jobs now

this is exactly, what happens thanks to socialist pigs and "pseudohumanistic" ignorants.
socialism = communism = fascism = islamofascism = same shit

[gorbatschow]

"our ideology is very similar to islam"
Heinrich Himmler

[quen_to]

Originally Posted by Billthegravedigger ↗

Quen to, you have some very valid points. The problem with me is I do not know everything that you, or others know. So much of the time we humans are trying to force our knowledge onto other people, and we do not give them time to take it all in and make a choice on the presented information. We take for granted that what we know is absolute, and it might be to us, but if someone doesn't know, or has not seen the same things that you have seen, it takes a little more to convince them.

That is where shit can go bad quickly. I have in the past tried to convince others that my viewpoint was right, and would get mad if they did not realize it to be the truth fast enough. I also started to notice that you present the information instead of force it down their neck, and give them some time, they will be more accepting of what you have to say, and will take you much more serious.

I don't go by this rule all the time, because let's face it, we will never see eye to eye on everything. When the subject is important though, I try to leave some room for others to come to their own conclusion. You seem to be pretty intelligent, and level headed. Even when you made the comment about being part of a dying race, I could still tell there was more to your statement. That is why I just popped back that you were part of that same race. I figured you had something fairly interesting to say, and knew if I blasted back with some really horrible shit, that it would shut down the avenues of communication. I enjoy learning everything I can, from anyone I can. We could have focused on our differences, but we will both gain more if we focuse on our similarities.

I have three daughters whom I love more than life it's self. I can and do understand you wanting them to grow up in a peaceful and prosperous world. That is the sign of a good parent, when you want your children to have a better and more meaningful life than you have had. I feel the same way, and that is why I try to learn anything and everything I can, from anyone willing to share. I like most others will go into shutdown mode when and if someone tries to tell me everything they know as the absolute truth and authority. You have not done that, and I appreciate it, and look forward to talking more with you.

Let me apologise for what I sad about this race-bullshit. This was a bit overreacted

You know, I'm try to search for some backgroundinformation over every article in newspapper that is interesting for me. I have the same view like you, there is all about learning. And sometimes its disturbing to see, that most of the articles are one-sided and to form an oppinion. "The first thing what you have to do is make the people believe that someone will attack them" (or similar;-). Like you say, no person can see everthing with his own eyes... but with the internet, you have the possibility to verify informations.

I would love to know, who do you vote for president? Do you understand german?

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[Billthegravedigger]

Originally Posted by quen_to ↗

Let me apologise for what I sad about this race-bullshit. This was a bit overreacted

You know, I'm try to search for some backgroundinformation over every article in newspapper that is interesting for me. I have the same view like you, there is all about learning. And sometimes its disturbing to see, that most of the articles are one-sided and to form an oppinion. "The first thing what you have to do is make the people believe that someone will attack them" (or similar;-). Like you say, no person can see everthing with his own eyes... but with the internet, you have the possibility to verify informations.

I would love to know, who do you vote for president? Do you understand german?

No, I don't have the slightest idea of how to read or understan the German laungage. A while back, I saw a sign that said, " If you voted for Barak Obama to prove you are not a racsist, vote for someone else this time to prove you are not an ididot !! " Not really sure who to vote for just yet. They all have positives and negatives, and are human, so they will fuck up sooner or later. The question is, who will fuck up the least ? And don't worry about the race comment, I realize I came across like a dickhead, so it wasn't toyally unwarranted I guess.

[gorbatschow]

just correction
costs of immigration in Germany: 1 000 000 000 000 Euro
total debt of Germany in that time: 1 700 000 000 000 Euro

another numbers: in Denmark are 10% of Immigrants, they get 60% of total social financial support given to poor ppl in Denmark.

this is in every country, everyone who can see knows. but those numbers are not politicaly correct and everyone talking about the costs is labeled by socialist scumbags as bad "racist"

its same situation, as you have cancer in your body, cos "humanist" cells imported it as "cultural enrichment", cos we all are "same creatures" of same value. "humanist" cells protect it and feed it not from their resourses, but from resources of others, no matter cancer declared his goal is destroying the body.