[medicineman360]

Did I see it right, but he also stabbed the lady right behind the driver?

[v1r]

Originally Posted by medicineman360 ↗

Did I see it right, but he also stabbed the lady right behind the driver?

Sure looks like he did. Good eye. Was too focused on the bus driver to notice.

[gauldicus]

Absolute SCUM

[Superdude4411]

Mother fucker just wanted to hurt people. He stabbed the person behind the driver right after too. Willing to bet they weren’t the only two. Fuckin bastard should have his nuts peeled off.

[scorpion9]

Originally Posted by Suicide_Note ↗

That's what you get when citizens aren't allowed to carry firearms.

You mean...everybody making it out alive most likely, and not a scenario where the thief enters the bus, and shoots 2-3 guys to death as his opening act?
No gun would have avoided the stabbing of the first 2 victims. And you also forget that criminals are the first ones to get guns, and once they know that their victim is likely to have a gun too, they are incentivized not to risk it, and just kill them before even trying to get what they want without violence.

[Lethalshadow1379]

Originally Posted by scorpion9 ↗

You mean...everybody making it out alive most likely, and not a scenario where the thief enters the bus, and shoots 2-3 guys to death as his opening act?
No gun would have avoided the stabbing of the first 2 victims. And you also forget that criminals are the first ones to get guns, and once they know that their victim is likely to have a gun too, they are incentivized not to risk it, and just kill them before even trying to get what they want without violence.

You people’s always make up excuses as to why people people shouldn’t be armed and can’t defend themselves.people should just allow themselves to be robbed, assaulted, or worse. No sense of self preservation at all.

“No gun would have avoided the stabbing of the first 2 victims.”

Maybe not but you will be able to stop those thugs from hurting or robbing anyone else. Did you think about that? SMH.

[scorpion9]

Originally Posted by Lethalshadow1379 ↗

You people’s always make up excuses as to why people shouldn’t be armed and can’t defend themselves.

“No gun would have avoided the stabbing of the first 2 victims.”

Maybe not but you will be able to stop those thugs from hurting or robbing anyone else. Did you think about that? SMH.

When did I say that people shouldn't be able to defend themselves. Also, speaking about "finding excuses", have you really never thought about you being the one who is finding excuses to bow down to NRA? I only replied to this, because it's a standard gun lobbyist response whenever any kind of violent crime happens...and it's almost entirely a US thing.

Guns increase your chances of dying, so, speaking of self-preservation, you should get rid of your guns. Not just you, but the whole nation.
You completely ignore all of the implications and consequences of mass arming civilians in a nation.

Maybe not but you will be able to stop those thugs from hurting or robbing anyone else.

Certainly not. In a country where gun ownership is rampant, thieves wont take a chance to ask nicely, and they won't let their guard down that easily. If someone had had a gun on that bus, then the situation would have been:
1) as an opening act, he would have shot 1-2 guys to death, then, he would have been eyeing the whole bus for any movements. The first one to move suspiciously is shot. The likelyhood that a wannabe citizen soldier will quickly draw and shoot in a crowded bus, and will kill another innocent person is also high. Whatever scenarios you can think of...they are all even more violent and deadly than this.

And lastly, these violent robberies are very rare in the end. Ive never seen or heard of anyone being a target of such a crime in my circle of acquaintances. If you buy a gun into your house, you are more likely to kill your kids or yourself with it, than you are to save your life one day using it. That's just statistics.
If self-preservation and safety is a concern for you, then you would take the money spent on weapons industry and spend it on social services, so that you wouldn't have such people in your society in the first place.
Gun ownership does not correlate well with safety and low crime. What does lower crime, are social services and programs for helping low-income families.
So, if you want to get the most bang for your buck in terms of safety, sell your guns and give the money to welfare programs. That is far more likely to save your life than your gun. You just wouldn't know how or when it saved your life.

[Lethalshadow1379]

Originally Posted by scorpion9 ↗

When did I say that people shouldn't be able to defend themselves. Also, speaking about "finding excuses", have you really never thought about you being the one who is finding excuses to bow down to NRA? I only replied to this, because it's a standard gun lobbyist response whenever any kind of violent crime happens...and it's almost entirely a US thing.

Guns increase your chances of dying, so, speaking of self-preservation, you should get rid of your guns. Not just you, but the whole nation.
You completely ignore all of the implications and consequences of mass arming civilians in a nation.


Certainly not. In a country where gun ownership is rampant, thieves wont take a chance to ask nicely, and they won't let their guard down that easily. If someone had had a gun on that bus, then the situation would have been:
1) as an opening act, he would have shot 1-2 guys to death, then, he would have been eyeing the whole bus for any movements. The first one to move suspiciously is shot. The likelyhood that a wannabe citizen soldier will quickly draw and shoot in a crowded bus, and will kill another innocent person is also high. Whatever scenarios you can think of...they are all even more violent and deadly than this.

And lastly, these violent robberies are very rare in the end. Ive never seen or heard of anyone being a target of such a crime in my circle of acquaintances. If you buy a gun into your house, you are more likely to kill your kids or yourself with it, than you are to save your life one day using it. That's just statistics.
If self-preservation and safety is a concern for you, then you would take the money spent on weapons industry and spend it on social services, so that you wouldn't have such people in your society in the first place.
Gun ownership does not correlate well with safety and low crime. What does lower crime, are social services and programs for helping low-income families.
So, if you want to get the most bang for your buck in terms of safety, sell your guns and give the money to welfare programs. That is far more likely to save your life than your gun. You just wouldn't know how or when it saved your life.

What if find funny is that you think a criminal with a knife is less dangerous that a criminal with a gun. Regardless if your in a country with or without armed citizen criminals are violent and regardless. Did you not see one of the robbers stab both the driver and the passenger? And if the robbers wanted to they could have stabbed and killed more people. You can kill multiple people with a knife if you didn’t know. Happens a lot in China. If someone had a gun they would have been able to take out the robbers since they’re at a obvious disadvantage. Secondly you gave the worst advice which was to spend money on a government to that is known to be corrupt or can become corrupt?“Spend money on social services”. You really think they’re going to protect you WtF???? And on top of that they law enforcement officers come minutes late. Seriously I stopped reading after hearing those two things and when you said “This is entirely a U.S. thing” as if there isn’t mass shootings around the world. You’ve showed how biased you are by that comment alone. Can’t argue with a fool. SMH

[scorpion9]

Originally Posted by Lethalshadow1379 ↗

What if find funny is that you think a criminal with a knife is less dangerous that a criminal with a gun. Regardless if your in a country with or without armed citizen criminals are violent and regardless. Did you not see one of the robbers stab both the driver and the passenger? And if the robbers wanted to they could have stabbed and killed more people. You can kill multiple people with a knife if you didn’t know. Happens a lot in China. If someone had a gun they would have been able to take out the robbers since they’re at a obvious disadvantage. Secondly you gave the worst advice which was to spend money on a government to that is known to be corrupt or can become corrupt?“Spend money on social services”. You really think they’re going to protect you WtF???? And on top of that they law enforcement officers come minutes late. Seriously I stopped reading after hearing those two things and when you said “This is entirely a U.S. thing” as if there isn’t mass shootings around the world. You’ve showed how biased you are by that comment alone. Can’t argue with a fool. SMH

As I expected, it's clear you are part of a fundamentalist extremist right-wing conservative religious cult and there isn't much point talking to you.

If you can't comprehend simple statistics and logic then its no wonder you believe the crazy crap that you do.

What if find funny is that you think a criminal with a knife is less dangerous that a criminal with a gun.

Yes, a criminal with a knife is an order of magnitude less dangerous than a one with a gun. Saying otherwise is borderline mentally handicapped. There is a reason why the military uses guns and not knives and swords anymore. You can outrun a knife...you won't outrun a gun. A knife commits you to killing one person at a time...and you must defend yourself from incoming punches etc( because you must be within striking distance yourself ). A gun allows anyone, even a weak guy who would otherwise not be able to overpower a much stronger guy to kill whoever they please....in bulk.

You can kill multiple people with a knife if you didn’t know. Happens a lot in China.

Yes, I know, it's a standard talking point of the NRA and conservative extremists.
Whatever number of people you can kill with a knife, a guy with a gun will easily add a zero to that number.( again, a reason why US has regular school shootings with mass casualties and not mass stabbings. )

Secondly, you gave the worst advice which was to spend money on a government to that is known to be corrupt or can become corrupt?“Spend money on social services”

Yes, it's called being civilized. The alternative is anarchy and chaos. If you didn't notice, we already do spend about half of all we earn on the government if you add up all the taxes.

You really think they’re going to protect you WtF????

Of course. It's called reality.

Seriously I stopped reading after hearing those two things and when you said “This is entirely a U.S. thing” as if there isn’t mass shootings around the world.

If only you had read what i wrote before that, then, perhaps, you would have understood what i was talking about.
I didnt say that mass shootings are only in US, i said that the standard NRA reply you get whenever there is a violent crime is a US thing. You, replying to a post containing violence, pushing gun propaganda is what I was talking about. Whenever you see something like this, you know that you are dealing with a fundamentalist conservative religious NRA lobby victim( usually an elderly guy in his 50-60s ). That's why I replied.

Also, I'll leave some fun statistics for you here.
Total gun deaths in USA per year were around 49,000, half of which were suicides.
This means that owning a gun gives you 50% chance that you/your family member will use that gun on themselves than you are to kill someone else using it.

Now, you can also compare these numbers to the current Ukrainian war, where in the most bloodiest hotspot of the whole war, called "the meatgrinder", "Bakhmut", Russia has lost around 45 000 soldiers on the frontlines in 10 months. And US tops that in peace time, fighting on its own homes and streets against each other.