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10-17-2020, 04:18 PM
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| The Candyman With the Windowless Van Poster Rank:143 Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 11,495 Mentioned: 32 Post(s) Quoted: 6101 Post(s)
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Re: 19 Year Old Woman Killed After Flammable Liquid Fuck Up at Bar
If they tested her post mortem for COVID and she came up positive . . . Don't laugh. If you've seen some of the instructions given to doctors in reporting deaths, by the U.S. Dept. of Health, that isn't as far fetched as it seems. |
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10-17-2020, 06:47 PM
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Re: 19 Year Old Woman Killed After Flammable Liquid Fuck Up at Bar
What numbers? That we are over 100K Covid deaths? Actually, we are at 218K Covid deaths in the U.S. per both the CDC and the National Institute of Health. Check the numbers and if you can find some data that contradicts mine, by all means, quote it and give a source. Really? SO EVERY COVID PATIENT YOU SEE DIE WAS ACTUALLY DYING OF SOMETHING ELSE INSTEAD? As a doctor, you should know that "contributing factors" such as diabetes or other chronic diseases, are listed as such on the death certificate. WHAT WAS THE PRIMARY CAUSE OF DEATH OF THESE INDIVIDUALS? I HAVE diabetes. I've had it for over 20 years. Other than that, I am completely healthy. If I catch Covid and die, would you list diabetes as the PCOD? I doubt it. You would list the affliction I had when I died. Today it would probably be Covid 19. That means I DIED FROM HAVING COVID 19. There is no reason to expect that I would die from diabetes next week, just like I didn't die of it 10 years ago, or 5 years ago, or any other time since I've had it, unless I had some other affliction that over-ran me because of my diabetic lack of health reserves. If I keel over tomorrow, and have no other health problems, I'm sure my D.C. would list "Complications from Chronic Diabetes". But I'm also sure that if I catch Covid 19, and my body runs down, and I die, it will be from Covid 19, and THAT is what they will put on the death certificate. Covid DOESN'T KILL YOU LIKE RABIES. It kills you because it tires the body out, and you just can't outlast it. Patients just tire, and can no longer fight the disease, and the body quits. That is why it is so dangerous to people with compromised immune systems. When they contract it, they do not have the reserves to fight it and stay alive. P.S. The Hunter Biden stuff you comment on was provided by KNOWN RUSSIAN AGENTS working through Rudy Guliani. The repair shop owner who took in the computer hard drive is blind and doesn't really KNOW who he got the computer from. He doesn't really know WHO actually gave it to him. |
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10-17-2020, 07:00 PM
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Re: 19 Year Old Woman Killed After Flammable Liquid Fuck Up at Bar
You quite literally have everything backwards, my dude. I have and continue to see dozens of diabetic patients who are, as in your case, controlling their diabetes well and are in all other respects healthy. They are coming in for car accidents, chopping down tree accidents, barbecue accidents, taking too much Metformin accidents, the sniffles, the cough, the flu, checkups, what have you. If by some weird freak of genetics you were one of the 0.00093% of otherwise healthy people who fall into a cytokine storm because of Covid and died, I would not list your diabetes as a contributing factor on your death certificate. You would have died from Covid, not with Covid. The diabetics dying from Covid are not like you. They are morbidly obese. They sit in front of the TV munching packets of Oreos and chugging Sam's Choice 2-liters. Their toes are rotting off but they still refuse to wear closed shoes around the house. They sit in the sun and toast themselves red as clams, then wonder why they lose all feeling in their fingers. Their kidneys are shot and they're skipping half of their dialysis treatments. They're already shutting down one way or another, and it's just a matter of which sniffle or flu will take them. In this case, their diabetes would be listed as a comorbid condition. In other words, keep taking care of yourself and doing what you're doing, and you have the same probability of dying from Covid as the rest of us. Which is to say, so close to zero it's barely worth mentioning. Knock it off with the logical fallacies. Correlation does not equal causation. As others have noted, an awful lot of the deaths that are attributed to Covid are garbage. We'll have a better idea in the coming years as the life insurance companies do their investigations. They're mighty good at sniffing out bullshit. |
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10-18-2020, 05:42 AM
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The original covid comment was perhaps tangentially funny, but your points are demonstrably false. Months ago, Dr. Birx openly said on video that deaths with covid and deaths from covid were all counted as covid deaths. That's less so the case now but did happen with multiple countries around the world so denying that it happened is literally denying facts. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...9_death.html#! In Washington, Dr. Hutchinson admitted that deaths that clearly weren't from covid were initially counted as such. People who were shot to death were counted as covid deaths, initially. Yes, a number have been revised but again, this did happen. https://mynorthwest.com/1889564/rant...avirus-deaths/ The CDC has revised death numbers to reflect these differences recently. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...Ktp6EsoVV2Qs1Q If Antifa is only an idea then why does one group literally have a website with a .org url? https://rosecityantifa.org/ Ideas don't organize protests, don branded gear, run social media accounts, etc. Remember the self-admitted 100% Antifa guy who shot the Patriot Prayer member in Portland then was killed by state police in a shootout? Did he join an imaginary group? https://nypost.com/2020/08/31/man-su...is-100-antifa/ How about the guy who attempted to firebomb an ICE facility in Tacoma who said the following in his manifesto, which is still available online? "I am antifa. I stand with comrades around the world who act from the love of life in every permutation. Comrades who understand that freedom means real freedom for all and a life worth living." Sourced from a website affiliated with Antifa types that apparently don't exist: https://itsgoingdown.org/on-williem-van-spronsen/ Your apparent level of ignorance is unbelievable right now. |
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10-18-2020, 11:50 AM
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YOUR level of ignorance is the one that's unbeleivable. Everything you said is true, but NONE of it is accurate. You are the perfect example of having all the facts, and then drawing all the wrong conclusions. Take a look at the morbidity tables. Do you see deaths UNRELATED to Covid? Just because you have underlying health issues does not mean you died of them. YOU DIED OF COVID BECAUSE THE UNDERLYING ISSUES MADE YOU MORE SUSCEPTIBLE TO THE COMPLICATIONS COMING FROM THE COVID VIRUS. Those people who died after going to a birthday party, or having kids who went to a birthday party or frat party or any other kind of public gathering, DID NOT DIE FROM A BIRTHDAY PARTY. They died specifically from being exposed to Covid 19. What killed them was Covid 19, NOT some underlying condition. If Covid had not happened, they would still be here. Read all the stories of kids who have wiped out both sets of grandparents, and aunts and uncles too. The stories are in every newspaper, in every locality. As far as the idiocy regarding Antifa, once again, I rely on the science. The FBI KNOWS what groups are active. And they said Antifa is NOT an active group, and DOES NOT represent any significant threat to the U.S. That doesn't mean they don't exist, and that there aren't adherents. It means the FBI deems that there are not enough of them, they are not organized enough, and they do not represent a serious threat. It's the same as the flat-earthers. They are out there, but it's not likely they are going to topple the government and force every school textbook to be changed to reflect that the earth is really flat. So individuals spouting Antifa slogans don't scare me. As far as the websites you claim, I would like to know just how many members they have? 20? 30? 100? ONCE AGAIN, THE FBI DETERMINED THE MAJOR TERRORIST THREAT IN THE U.S. TODAY IS THE WHITE SEPREMACIST MOVEMENT. It isn't ISIS. It isn't Antifa. It isn't illegal aliens. It's the right wing groups of America. Rely on science. You'll get the correct answer every time. |
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10-18-2020, 01:15 PM
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And there we have it, folks. It's all politics to him. He doesn't care about the facts. He can only see this through the lens of U.S. politics. Well, here's a clue, you child. Many of us here aren't in the U.S., have no dog in your political fight, and can't believe you actually believe the press releases of your DNC disguised as "news." Unfortunately, we all have to suffer because your elite and our elite are all in one tiny club, so they're doing everything they can to help get Biden in office so they can get their billions in "foreign aid" flowing again. That's all this is about. The Hunter Biden e-mails, the Panama Papers, you name it, they all show the same pattern. But your DNC propaganda media calls it "debunked" or "Russian disinformation," so you swallow their cum and ask for more. Amazing how blind Americans can be. They really and truly do think the world revolves around them. And even when it does, as in this case, they think their political parties give two craps about them. |
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10-18-2020, 04:52 PM
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Re: 19 Year Old Woman Killed After Flammable Liquid Fuck Up at Bar
Yet a few comments earlier you were saying "correlation doesn't mean causation". Sorry Doc, but you're not making sense to anyone who isn't a bit of a conspiraloon. Some of us can only go off the information we can gather, not what we believe in before we even get it. |
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10-18-2020, 05:42 PM
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Re: 19 Year Old Woman Killed After Flammable Liquid Fuck Up at Bar
The fact that you ignored that I pointed out that the conflation of deaths from covid and deaths from covid were counted as the same category yet have been revised is staggering. The numbers have been revised so that a more accurate measure can be accounted for but they were all in the same category at one point. This happened at both the federal and state level. The effects of comorbidities being exacerbated by covid is real. I never said it wasn't but you claimed that the aforementioned conflation didn't happen when it clearly did. The generic category of a covid deaths doesn't speak to the differential severity of the disease, which is why knowing how many died solely of covid versus with it is a necessary thing to know. I didn't stress the importance of such distinctions in my original response to your post as my focus was on demonstrating that such conflation did actually occur. Furthermore, I don't think that it was due to corruption but rather to the unexpected nature of the disease and not knowing how to deal with the deluge of cases and changing information. Morally, I don't see the case of arguing that not having more precise information about how the disease effects people with comorbidities than those without isn't beneficial and that distinction in the numbers should be made clear. Vagueness with such information tends towards chaos, fear, and confusion rather than an accurate understanding of risk differentials. You know, trusting the science that you claim to be all about. It's like saying, let's pass policy to reduce traffic accident deaths while in no way dealing with the differences in contributing factors in said deaths (e.g. distracted driving vs. intoxication). The CDC page I linked to was likely updated so that information is no longer available, but here's an archived link with that distinction. It can be found under the Comorbidities section, but I'll quote it here. The emphasis is mine. "Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups. For data on comorbidities, " https://web.archive.org/web/20201009...bZXCwSRP2OmqsI That information goes to both of our points. Again, I agree with you about comorbidities. As far as Antifa goes, talk about moving the goal posts. Here's a quote from your original response. "This is all imaginary, like the Antifa organization. There is no such thing." I gave you a website in which just one such group said they say they were founded 13 years ago in addition to individual instances of self-declared members enacting domestic terrorism and murder and then you jump to well, the FBI hasn't designated them as a significant threat. That wasn't your initial assertion as shown by your own words. "There is no such thing" is a complete 180 from they aren't a significant threat. It's astounding that you can't just honestly admit that you were clearly wrong and take the hit. Yes, it's hard to do. I had to do such a thing during my analysis of an OIS (Officer Involved Shooting) in which the officers took damn near 20 minutes to initiate the removal of a scumbag from a vehicle they needed to tow. While difficult, just be honest rather than double downing on a point with which I didn't disagree with in the first place, and completely shifting your position when it's shown to be demonstrably false. Isn't the scientific method partly about revising your position in light of new evidence in an honest manner? |
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10-18-2020, 05:48 PM
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 Für Immer Verloren Poster Rank:50 Boredom + Despair Join Date: Sep 2017 Posts: 30,253
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Re: 19 Year Old Woman Killed After Flammable Liquid Fuck Up at Bar
Another thread gone way off... Debate/politic section's here:  https://www.documentingreality.com/forum/f247/
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I hope she suffered! 
