[honeysprite]

Arguing circumcision is like arguing abortion; people aren't going to change their opinions because you don’t agree and you say they should.

Having said that, I weighed all options before having my son circumcised. His dad demanded that it be done which means that he didn't have a horrible experience and it clearly didn’t make his 9" penis smaller either. (I swear I'm not joking or exaggerating) I watched the doctor circumcise my son because I felt that if I’m the one that requested it; I should watch it. He didn’t even know what was going on because they gave him a pacifier with sugar on it. Were there risks? Yes. Would I do it again? Yes.

We all know that the majority of the world is run and controlled by men, and female circumcision is only done to keep women in ‘their place’. The average man values his penis too much to consider having it ‘mutilated’ and I guarantee that if they (including dads) thought that male circumcision was barbaric and cruel they would have stopped it years ago.

[DonB]

Originally Posted by Forensicgirl52 ↗

Do you have something against protecting infants from unnecessary genital amputation?

I'm not getting into a long, protracted discussion about this, but I will agree with you on one thing. It is unnecessary. Nobody says parents should or must do it, except for religious authorities, and I don't give a crap about religion or religious practices (it doesn't prevent masturbation). If people do it for religious reasons, that's their problem.
But male infant circumcision is not cruel or mutilation, or anything of the sort. I was circumcised as a baby and don't remember a thing about it. I prefer it that way because, firstly, it looks normal and not like an aardvark, but much more importantly, most of the medical community has agreed for a long time that there are greater health risks associated with being uncircumcised (higher odds of certain cancers), and certainly there can be hygiene issues.

If parents don't want to circumcise their boys, fine. I don't care. But don't tell everyone else what to do.

[romix]

Well im a member of this club, Dont know why my parents decided to have me done , i was 6 years old , i bled like fuck, criad like fuck had to have wierds salt watered baths for years , Temperature of the bath made me cry like fuck , < Sitting here with legs crossed , i also have small skin bridges , No chick or doctor has ever commented on them . nor have they ever bothered me ,

[quetza]

Originally Posted by Forensicgirl52 ↗

And the link I posted gives the actual facts. If the facts prove your opinion is false, then it is false. Unlike adults, infants cannot be anesthetized properly. In many cases infant circumcision is performed without any anesthesia at all. That is never true for adults. Adults are also given painkillers afterwards. Infants are not. Adults don't have to spend the healing period wearing a diaper and having the open wound exposed to urine and feces. Infants do. An adult can understand why he is in pain and can use coping techniques. An infant cannot.

The facts are clear-being circumcised as an infant is worse than being circumcised as an adult.
And the "they don't remember" argument fails as well. Lack of conscious memory is not the same as lack of trauma. Rape victims who have been drugged often don't remember being raped. We still arrest and prosecute the attacker.

while i do agree and add that circumcision is pretty traumatizing and the little babies do scream their heads off in pain...i must disagree with how you describe it. there is no "open wound" with the new procedures for circumcision. only old school docs that do it the ancient (and by ancient i'm only talking 15 years or so) way that leaves an open wound that must be smothered with vaseline and cared for. now a days theres a much better method that doesnt require any maintenance on the part of the parent. you go in, the doc does the deed, you go home with nothing to have to take care up, clean, cover, etc. but again, having seen and assisted in many circumcisions i do feel sorry for those little guys when they scream in pain as the foreskin is clamped, the adhesions around the base of penis are pulled off, and the string around the foreskin is pulled *extremely* tight so as to cut off the circulation. and don't even try to pull that "oh, they arent not in any pain" bullshit. lets see you clamp a kelly forcep onto the skin on your penis as tight as it will go. those little guys scream to high heaven (but, sure...every now and then some dont scream too bad but thats few and very far between)

[CuriousOne]

Honestly, circumcised penises look a million times better. Uncircumcised grosses me out like none other.

[Forensicgirl52]

Originally Posted by honeysprite ↗

Arguing circumcision is like arguing abortion; people aren't going to change their opinions because you don’t agree and you say they should.

Having said that, I weighed all options before having my son circumcised. His dad demanded that it be done which means that he didn't have a horrible experience and it clearly didn’t make his 9" penis smaller either. (I swear I'm not joking or exaggerating) I watched the doctor circumcise my son because I felt that if I’m the one that requested it; I should watch it. He didn’t even know what was going on because they gave him a pacifier with sugar on it. Were there risks? Yes. Would I do it again? Yes.

We all know that the majority of the world is run and controlled by men, and female circumcision is only done to keep women in ‘their place’. The average man values his penis too much to consider having it ‘mutilated’ and I guarantee that if they (including dads) thought that male circumcision was barbaric and cruel they would have stopped it years ago.

Except I have factually proven that I am correct. Circumcision forced on infants and children, just like female genital mutilation, is a human rights violation. Your disagreement doesn't change that fact. You and your husband had no right to alter your son's penis. Your husband's insistence that it be done is typical of circumcised men and it has nothing to do with "not having a horrible experience" but with having to (consciously or subconsciously) defend their circumcised state. "The truth about circumcision is a bitter pill to swallow. Not circumcising their sons means that a man has to face that he is missing part of his penis for no good reason. That’s a horrible thought, and it is natural that a man would not want to face that.

Nevertheless, sparing your husband emotional pain is not a valid reason to inflict physical pain and damage on your child. Your husband has no right over his son’s body. He had a right to his own body all those years ago, and that right was denied, but that does not mean he now has the right to hide his pain by having his son circumcised. " http://www.moralogous.com/2012/04/08...to-circumcise/
This explains in greater detail:
http://www.udonet.com/circumcision/v...ty_of_men.html

Your husband may deny this if you ask him but that is also part of the self-protection. And it is most often the dads that push for circumcision for this reason. It's a form of cognitive dissonance.

"So let’s really lay it bare:

I love my penis because it feels good.
Some men have even more parts to their penises.
I don’t have that part.
I can never know what that part is like.
That sucks and makes me feel bad because anything to do with my penis is awesome.
I hate feeling bad about my penis.
I’m just going to decide that that part isn’t really that good so I can stop feeling bad.

Now, I get why this form of psychological resolution of cognitive dissonance is so tempting. Who would want to be in such pain? The thing is, it doesn’t stop just there. When circumcised men have sons of their own, they tend to want to circumcise them. If they are aware of circumcision at all, they have subconsciously convinced themselves that having less penis is, in fact, better, despite the logical truth they’ve worked hard to bury along with their pain. It can be intolerably painful for a circumcised man to have a son and not circumcise him. What if as his son grows, he has no problems with his foreskin? What if, as an adult, his son values his foreskin, and would never choose to have it cut off? Wouldn’t that be living proof, in his face every day, that being circumcised actually wasn’t so great? The wounded part of the man’s psyche that he has tried to bury sees this new cognitive dissonance coming down the line, and he does whatever he can to avert it: he insists that his own son be circumcised."
http://www.moralogous.com/2012/03/01...-circumcision/

And circumcision is mutilation by any definition I have seen:
mu·ti·late (mytl-t)
tr.v. mu·ti·lat·ed, mu·ti·lat·ing, mu·ti·lates
1. To deprive of a limb or an essential part; cripple.
2. To disfigure by damaging irreparably: mutilate a statue. See Synonyms at batter1.
3. To make imperfect by excising or altering parts.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/mutilate

Definitions 1 and 3 describe exactly what circumcision does. The facts outweigh your opinions.

[Forensicgirl52]

Originally Posted by romix ↗

Well im a member of this club, Dont know why my parents decided to have me done , i was 6 years old , i bled like fuck, criad like fuck had to have wierds salt watered baths for years , Temperature of the bath made me cry like fuck , < Sitting here with legs crossed , i also have small skin bridges , No chick or doctor has ever commented on them . nor have they ever bothered me ,

Thank you for sharing your story. I'm sorry that happened to you. That's why I speak up about this cruel practice.

[Forensicgirl52]

Originally Posted by quetza ↗

while i do agree and add that circumcision is pretty traumatizing and the little babies do scream their heads off in pain...i must disagree with how you describe it. there is no "open wound" with the new procedures for circumcision. only old school docs that do it the ancient (and by ancient i'm only talking 15 years or so) way that leaves an open wound that must be smothered with vaseline and cared for. now a days theres a much better method that doesnt require any maintenance on the part of the parent. you go in, the doc does the deed, you go home with nothing to have to take care up, clean, cover, etc. but again, having seen and assisted in many circumcisions i do feel sorry for those little guys when they scream in pain as the foreskin is clamped, the adhesions around the base of penis are pulled off, and the string around the foreskin is pulled *extremely* tight so as to cut off the circulation. and don't even try to pull that "oh, they arent not in any pain" bullshit. lets see you clamp a kelly forcep onto the skin on your penis as tight as it will go. those little guys scream to high heaven (but, sure...every now and then some dont scream too bad but thats few and very far between)

You're talking about the Plastibell. Still involves cutting and is very painful.

I'm not clear on why you are helping with circumcisions since they clearly a violation of your oath to "do no harm". And the other methods are still in use:
http://circleaks.blogspot.ca/2013/05...-of-mogen.html

[Forensicgirl52]

Originally Posted by CuriousOne ↗

Honestly, circumcised penises look a million times better. Uncircumcised grosses me out like none other.

You think a dried-up scarred penis looks better? Have you ever seen a normal penis?
http://www.drmomma.org/2011/08/intac...gnificant.html

[honeysprite]

Originally Posted by Forensicgirl52 ↗

You think a dried-up scarred penis looks better? Have you ever seen a normal penis?
http://www.drmomma.org/2011/08/intac...gnificant.html

Nature isn't always perfect either.

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