[BitZ]

Originally Posted by Blewvane ↗

Most of you have never killed before and have no idea what war is like. War is not like the movies, there is nothing honourable about war. Vietnam and Iraq were not wars, they were police actions. There is a huge difference between the two. Police actions have rules which must be followed, wars have no rules other than kill or be killed. Police actions obtain victory once all objectives have been achieved. Wars are won when all the enemy are dead and there is no one left to object to the tactics used. I'm going to cop flack for saying that but i don't care, the opinions of people that have not been there and done it mean nothing to me.

So have you been there? Does 9/11 count even though we didn’t have a gun in our hands?

[rwooton]

Well, all of you that are anti-government, there's a plane leaving everyday. Plus I wouldn't talk about a war you know nothing about. I was there. I was also one of the guys that got spit on when we came home, called war monger and everything from a bunch of dropout losers.

[Blewvane]

Originally Posted by BitZ ↗

So have you been there? Does 9/11 count even though we didn’t have a gun in our hands?

What happened on sep 11 was simply an attack on America by a group of fanatical criminals, it was not a war.

[Wasp]

Originally Posted by catalyzt ↗

okay i agree but let me ask this
if the lumps dont matter how come america and other european countries with democracy and christian values at least at the start are super power in the world and many of those muslim countries are barbaric backwaters still living in the dirt and killing each other daily?
i know i am ignorant and i am trying to make my point here so just bear with me
ppl are constantly saying the small ones dont speak for the larger groups yet i dont see iran or iraq or palestine or afghanistan moving out of the fricken 14th century
so reality is the religion does hold the country back cuz when you keep 50% of your population stupid and hidden away how can you progress?

okay sorry if i said this stupidly

Hi, I just love your new Avatar.

[Flaka]

NICE POST

[ROYALBOY]

Blewvane
Flaka's

what,s the matter ???

[niknik]

Quotes from quran; "slay the non believers, and take them captive, besiege them, and prepare them for each ambush"mohammed says; "I have been ordered to fight till none is worshipped but allah" "take not the Jews and Christians as friends or protectors,and he among you who turns to them for friendship, this friendship make you an enemy of islam and deserving of the same fate as nonbelievers" "Nonbeleivers are the firewood of hell"Sura 8:12 “Remember your Lord inspired the angels with the message: “I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: you smite them above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.”

[niknik]

Hey royboy you really should learn your history. These 2 wars are so different and fought for two very different reasons. As far as veitnam, this was a cold war conflict. And although the US did not declare a victory, many objectives were won. The most important being Nam was not turned into a communist power, and in turn a threat to the west. The only common theme in these wars is USA are fighting oppressive dictators. And your right US is not a military state, so no our soldiers don't make go to war decisions. And the vietcong were brave fighters who would face soldiers in the field of battle, terrorist hide behind there mothers.

[niknik]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

Please Brainplague you should open your eyes a little:
LiveLeak.com - Wife Beating in America -A Shocking Story .
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...926135,00.html

wife beatings, rape, abuse, etc are not exclusive to religion. But the original discussion derailed completely already.

You are free to have your own opinion however!
It's not because i live in holland means i have a better, neutral view ow the world. No, i just have a different opinion :)