[AlvinKarpis]

Ok these are what I could find, alot of the pics are magazine scans from Argentina, thats how everybody knew their was footage (turns out 2 cameras caught it, the other was in color) because of the frames the magazine published

So while racing fans waited and waited triedand tried to obtain footage all we had were these magazine scans provided by a fan from Argentina a long time ago

So the scan with the two frames is pretty special to me, not to anyone else that has seen the video, but when thats all you had of a holy grail crash film, you had to take it and just picture what it would be like

I was way wrong on how I thought in my head it would look

It was 10x worse

RIP

[medicineman360]

Ironic you say "stumbled on", as far as this footage goes. This is exactly what happened to me the other day, after getting sucked into the Youtube vortex, while viewing a link that someone else had posted in this thread.

After I saw the clip, I kept wondering, WHY was he allowed to push his car down the middle of the track like that

Once again, thank you Alvin and Window for making this the very best thread I've seen on here in quite a while. Indy/F1 crashes was one of the first searched I performed when I joined a few years ago. I was disappointed that there wasn't too much then. However, the sheer amount of information in this thread had been able to satisfy any morbid curiosity I may have had. BUT... when you've both added the background information, it really makes me look at these crashes differently.

Thank you for the thread, and for allowing me to look at these things differently.

[AlvinKarpis]

Originally Posted by medicineman360 ↗

Ironic you say "stumbled on", as far as this footage goes. This is exactly what happened to me the other day, after getting sucked into the Youtube vortex, while viewing a link that someone else had posted in this thread.

After I saw the clip, I kept wondering, WHY was he allowed to push his car down the middle of the track like that

Once again, thank you Alvin and Window for making this the very best thread I've seen on here in quite a while. Indy/F1 crashes was one of the first searched I performed when I joined a few years ago. I was disappointed that there wasn't too much then. However, the sheer amount of information in this thread had been able to satisfy any morbid curiosity I may have had. BUT... when you've both added the background information, it really makes me look at these crashes differently.

Thank you for the thread, and for allowing me to look at these things differently.

No problem brother, its my pleasure

And he was not allowed to push it down the middle of the track like he was

The rule at that time was if any of your crew had to help you push your car back to the pits to get it restarted or fix the problem then you were docked a lap

If your car was stalled for a certain amount of time you were DQed

So I guess his thought was he would just push the car down the middle of the track because he could still finish the race and place for standings

And god forbid he gets docked a lap if his crew helped him push to the side infield, no way, not worth it him, I mean the pit area was only another 2,487 miles away, he could just give her a little push and be right there

His international racing license was suspended for a year (should have been life)

Of course (as if not even having a scratch from the crash wasnt enough good fortune) the next year he wins the Monaco Grand Prix in a severe rainstorm thats impossible to drive in. It was and still is hailed as one of the most impressive victories in auto racing history

Im not saying harm or bad luck should come to him, nor would I wish something like that on anybody for a stupid mistake, he didnt mean for or want it to happen, but damn I guess nothings going tp break his stride, or slow him down

[AlvinKarpis]

Oh and I forgot, "Youtube Stumbling" accounts for so many rare finds, because in the US whats rare to us, might be only slightly rare, or common in say Argentina

So a race fan in Argentina uploads a clip that he has and thinks others will like, and posts it in his language, not knowing there are fans in the US that would kill for the clip (The kind of fans I hate and made it 100s of times harder to deal with the people who had video or pics that were rare) and leaves it uploaded and forgets about it.

That is until its stumbled upon, and then his vid goes from 263 views in 2 years when the uploader goes to bed the night its stumbled upon, to 5,897,901 views in 6 hours with 5,897,887 illegal downloads (obviously thats not tracked , but thats what happens)

Even the good internet searchers can spend days looking for it, weeks, months even, and find nothing

Then you come on and start watching a rare vid you know is there and start clicking on related vids, after say 30 minutes or so a thumbnail on the related vids box to the side catches your eye, and holy shit, what took the best man or woman days using 45,000 different search engines and 890,875 different keywords and tags, takes you a half hour

That is what stumbling is all about

I do it everyday, I consider it my specialty

[windowlicker]

Thanks for the positive comments guys, and AlvinKarpis those Guinti photos are amazing, particularly the horrific one of him sitting in the wreck clearly terribly burnt. Its strange how that footage suddenly found itself on the net so many years after it happened.

[AlvinKarpis]

Originally Posted by windowlicker ↗

Thanks for the positive comments guys, and AlvinKarpis those Guinti photos are amazing, particularly the horrific one of him sitting in the wreck clearly terribly burnt. Its strange how that footage suddenly found itself on the net so many years after it happened.

Im telling you I got an email like 5 years ago (give or take a year or two, either way) from a fellow racing/crash fan, and the title and header were all red with URGENT written a hundred times across the top

It just had a link, thats it no explanation no nothing

I was in such shock that I must have watched it 20 times before I started working my downloading tools, which never happens you always try to download first in case the vid is removed or taken down, or unavalible, because once you have it your good to go, I couldnt do anything but hit play over and over

It was pretty awesome

[windowlicker]

This is a quick one involving Italian Ferrari driver Luigi Musso. During the French GP in 1958 he ran wide at the long Gueux curve at 150 mph, the car ran into a ditch and flipped over, killing Musso instantly.

[AlvinKarpis]

Originally Posted by The Dark ↗

Bandini was alive when pulled from the Monaco crash, obviously doomed though, he lived another 3 days I think, there is a story of his wife trying to console him and a single tear running down his scorched face as he knew the reality.

Senna's cam has always been a source of conspiracy. In the live footage we were online with Schumacher directly behind and the director switched the feed just as Senna speared off the track. Of course there was a camera running in Senna's car at the same time that apparently switched off at the exact same instant.....(the footage of that lap was in the 1994 F1 season review). It's claimed that the director worked on a "delay" and therefore was able to see what had happened and swapped the feed. Bullshit imo.

The claim on Courage was he was killed by the wheel flying back into his face rather than being burned. Given that there was no inclination to hide deaths & the causes at that time in history, I'm inclined to think that's a true account.

I've seen an aftermath shot of Ignazio Giunti after his 1971 crash which Alvin may have access to.

WRT Williamson, Niki Lauda was quite ignorant after the fact, basically saying something like "We're drivers, not marshalls, we race, not put out fires" - wonder how he felt in 1976 as his fucking ears melted. Bet he was glad 4 drivers decided to help him!

Here's hoping for more nostalgia Alvin

Im on board with everything you said for sure

But see, I just dont buy any Senna conspiracy unless I see hard proof, like the missing footage, then I will get with the conspiracy program

Yes Bandini was alive, but as you said was doomed, I hate to say this but I bet he wished the crash had killed him, I cant even dream of having 3rd degree burns on 80% of my body and hanging on for 3 days, no matter how much morphine they pump you with the level of pain has to be so off the scale of "how bad does it hurt from 1-10" thats known to me

And I agree very much with you on Piers Courage, back then any and all crashes was sensationalized in print and radio and TV,with drivers being...


" Slowly torched to death"

"His hood acted like a human can opener at 200mph when it sliced and diced its way through his upper torso"

(read this with a perfect British Jackie Stewart voice in your head) "His Magnesium Alloy Frame acted like an oven set on 5,000 degrees, essentially cooking the driver from the inside out, almost the same way a well done Thanksgiving turkey is roasted"

No reason to hide the real cause of death back then

[DoubleZ1013]

That picture is so sad and horrifying.

[windowlicker]

I've read the story in a number of different books that Bandini's wife was heavily pregnant at the time and unsuprising miscarried.