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James Hunt says on the extended footage of the crash it was 175mph....ouch.

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Originally Posted by AlvinKarpis ↗

Here are the amazing Old School B&W clips I pulled off the Documentary posted in the thread

Including Lorenzo Bandini being pulled from wreckage

Amazing black and white footage, particulary of poor Bandini. I don't know how he survived another three days with those horrific injuries.

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A photo of Jean Behra being carried away after his fatal Sportcar crash at the German Avus track in 1959.

Behra was a top Grand Prix and Sportcar driver of the '50's. He won a number of non-championship GP's but never managed to win a championship race. He took nine podium finishes in 52 starts. He won Sportcar races at Monza and Nurburgring.

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Berger left the track at approx 175mph, he did manage to slow it a little, but probably was doing 140mph when he hit the wall. I'd put the speed difference at 40-50mph between the 2 crashes.

His angle wasn't really anything like Smiley's, the wall curved at the point he hit it, hence why the car spun off it, Smiley's crash was virtually head on.

Plus Smiley's car was an aluminium tub, and Berger's was carbon-fiber, much, much stronger in the 2nd case.

Senna's crash had much more data recovered from it, I seem to recall he left the track at 185mph, and slowed to 128mph when he hit the wall. Proving that luck is everything at this game, his angle of crash into the wall allowed the wheel to bounce up and inflict 1 of his injuries that would have been fatal with the broken suspension inflicting another.

The BBC documentary is ok, but they did a complete whitewash over claiming safety was so much better after 1973. Drivers were still getting killed regularly (Revson, Koinigg, Donohue, Pryce & Peterson all died within 5 years), fire wasn't solved yet - Lauda & Peterson proved that and the Spanish race in 1975 showed more issues with crowd safety & barrier worthiness.

The fact the documentary was produced by Jackie Stewart's son showed why they concluded it at the time they did. But it wasn't quite as settled as they claim imo.

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On the 7th lap of the German GP 1937 at the Nurburgring local driver Ernst Von Delius in his Auto Union Type C pulled out to pass Richard Seaman's Mercedes at 140mph on the hump-backed main straight leading to the Antoninus Bridge; it seems that he misjudged this move and his left wheels become entangled in the beech hedge on the left side of the track. The Auto Union then passed across the front of Seaman's car, the two collided and the Auto Union rebounded, rolled and bounced down the embankment, across the main Koblenz-Koln road and into a field. Seaman suffered facial injuries, cuts and bruises and a broken left thumb.

Von Delius was found unconscious and had suffered serious injuries that included a fractured skull and spine; he died in hospital later that evening.

Photo 3 shows the Auto Unions rev needle after the crash stuck, deep in the red...

Ernst best GP results were two 2nd's and two 3rd's in 1936 and '37.

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José Maria Ferreira Reis Thomaz in the Citroën Visa Cup at the Vila do Conde track in Portugal. Late in the race José crashed into the barrier and was collected by a number of following cars. It was the impact of these following vehicles that caused his fatal injuries.

José had been racing the yellow, number 8 car.

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Alberto Noya and Gabriel Miller died following a crash on 16th July 2006 during the fifth lap of the Turismo Carretera Pista race at Rafaela, Santa Fe, Argentina the 9th round of the Championship. The Dodge driven by Alberto Noya spun at the exit of the 2nd chicane at the end of the main straight. Four cars avoided hitting the stationary car but the Dodge was violently hit on it's right by the Ford of Hugo Fayanas at about 180 km/h.

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Herr Berghe von Trips pays respect to the great Behra.

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Flat picture of Lorenzo Bandini crash converted to a 3d anaglyph. Red/Cyan glasses needed. They're free.

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Originally Posted by eyoder55 ↗

It doesn't matter Scotty died and he was a hell of a driver. He had an awesome personality and it showed. Some drivers die and some live to tell their story. It is what it is and I love them for it. They love what they are doing and die trying to achieve the best. How can you fault them?

I don't fault him one bit! I don't like how Firestone avoided any and all responsibility and IMMEDIATELY took no blame. This is one of those stories that is not told in newspapers or on tv. It's one of those things that only people close to the sport, or ppl who know those close to the sport know the REAL story. I happen to know the real story. And so DID and does IRL and Firestone. The tire malfunctioned. It was a defective tire. I know it's racing and accidents happen, but I get upset when anyone uses a scape goat to deflect any responsibility of an accident such as this. That is all I was trying to say. I know and they knew what actually happened. The common folk was told something different!