[melvin2002]

[QUOTE=kellyhound;8569403]you forgot something:

The Quran on Wars And Aggression

[Qur’an 47:4] If you encounter (in war) those who disbelieve, you may strike the necks. If you take them as captives you may set them free or ransom them, until the war ends.

Had God willed, He could have granted you victory, without war. But He thus tests you by one another.

As for those who get killed in the cause of God, He will never put their sacrifice to waste.

[quote]The common misconceptions about the Islamic and Quranic perspectives on war and peace are fueled by some people who quote parts of a few Quranic verses out of context.

It is unfortunate that rational open-minded people accept these misquotations without examining the context of the passage they are written in.

As with most other books, the Quran must be read as a whole. Taking a single verse - or a part of a verse -out of context can naturally lead to incorrect conclusions. No religion of God is evil, rather the people who abuse the religion are.

Aggression is Forbidden. Fighting is permitted only in self-defence.

The Quranic verses on this are very clear. God repeats, "do not aggress", multiple times. Only if attacked, is one permitted to fight back. If the other party refrains from aggression and offers one peace, we are told to stop fighting.

Rules of War:

[Qur’an 2:190–93] You may fight in the cause of GOD against those who attack you, but do not aggress. GOD does not love the aggressors. You may kill those who wage war against you, and you may evict them whence they evicted you.

Oppression is worse than murder. Do not fight them at the Sacred Masjid, unless they attack you therein. If they attack you, you may kill them. This is the just retribution for those disbelievers.

If they refrain, then GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful. You may also fight them to eliminate oppression, and to worship GOD freely. If they refrain, you shall not aggress; aggression is permitted only against the aggressors.

All fighting is regulated by the basic rule in Qur’an 60:8-9. Fighting is allowed strictly in self-defence, while aggression and oppression are strongly condemned throughout the Quran.

The religion of Submission to God (Islam) as described in the Quran is a peaceful and tolerant one. The only situations where fighting is allowed is in self-defence. Aggression is always prohibited.

Of the 6,346 verses in the Quran, a very small percentage mentioned, "war". Islam being a practical religion does cover the legitimacy of fighting as well as when it is unjustified.

The believers in the time of Muhammad had to face hostile opposition because of their religious views and were in many cases forced to fight to save their lives.

However, the bulk of the Quran, as the religion of Islam in general, focuses on worshipping God, leading a righteous life and attaining salvation in the Hereafter.



Quranists reject the authority and use of Hadith (sayings and actions of the Prophet Muhammad), viewing them as potentially fabricated or unneeded for practicing Islam.


Also fundamentalist militant Islamists and Islamic extremists, who are a minority, follow their own interpretation of the Quran. 80 to 90 % of their victims are in fact muslims.
They get their followers by putting Quran quotes out of context and put them on social media and rely on the uneducated to fall for it.

[quote]Justifications given for attacks on civilians by Islamic extremist groups come from their interpretations of the Quran, the hadith, and Sharia.

These killings include retribution by armed jihad for the perceived injustices of unbelievers against Muslims, the belief that many self-proclaimed Muslims have violated Islamic law and are disbelievers.

It only takes one idiot to commit a hate crime and we can't blame a hole group for supporting it imo.

Maybe they were Isis affiliates? No one has been arrested yet.

Kelly, you sound like a taqqiya (deceptive) muslim to me, no offence. A muslim is always 'at war' until he takes over the kuffar(non-Muslim or infidel) lands. The concept in Islamic jurisprudence is called Dar al-Harb (دار الحرب). If you read the reasons of revelation (Asbabul nuzul), you will realize that Muhammad was carrying out offensive attacks (Jihad al-Talab), not defensive. Offensive jihad is for da'wah, calling them to Islam by striking terror. All the wars Muhammad conducted are offensive, NEVER SELF-DEFENCE, MUSLIMS ATTACKED FIRST ALWAYS. I can delve into the details and discuss them in more depth, but my friend Kelly, you looked on the internet and found your answers. Real Islam is hidden in the Arabic internet, never translated faithfully into English.

[shipoopi]

Poor guy.

Not all Muslims are violent. To accuse all Muslims of believing in violence is like accusing all Christians of supporting the Crusades and the Inquisition, or that all Christians bomb abortion clinics.

[shipoopi]

Originally Posted by PhognaBologna ↗

Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life. People don’t persecute what is false. People don’t destroy something that doesn’t convict them.

In the modern day Christianity is the least persecuted religion. Data backs that up.

[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by melvin2002 ↗

Kelly, you sound like a taqqiya (deceptive) muslim to me, no offence. A muslim is always 'at war' until he takes over the kuffar(non-Muslim or infidel) lands. The concept in Islamic jurisprudence is called Dar al-Harb (دار الحرب). If you read the reasons of revelation (Asbabul nuzul), you will realize that Muhammad was carrying out offensive attacks (Jihad al-Talab), not defensive. Offensive jihad is for da'wah, calling them to Islam by striking terror. All the wars Muhammad conducted are offensive, NEVER SELF-DEFENCE, MUSLIMS ATTACKED FIRST ALWAYS. I can delve into the details and discuss them in more depth, but my friend Kelly, you looked on the internet and found your answers. Real Islam is hidden in the Arabic internet, never translated faithfully into English.

Kellyhound isn't Muslim at all.
He was just quoting some facts, as he does in his capacity as moderator.

[mmansfield]

Originally Posted by REVZZYBAN ↗

Why doesn’t ANY GOD stop this SHIT? Not even once. DON’T QUESTION GOD.How dare you.

Agreed. I am beyond fed up! What kind of God allows these awful things to keep happening to innocent people?

[Faust]

Originally Posted by kellyhound ↗

They get their followers by putting Quran quotes out of context and put them on social media and rely on the uneducated to fall for it.

That sounds vaguely familiar..

[Faust]

But thanks for providing context. That was a real post. Maybe the realest I read this week

[Mr.NoCredit]

My god’s better than your god. I’ll kill you for thinking differently.

Religion was created for control. It’s all total bullshit. The Romans created Christ. Read a book called “Creating Christ” and you’ll have half the story. I have no idea who created the Muslim version but they were just as fucked up as the Roman’s were.

People want to believe in their invisible gods. Fine. Good luck in life. It’s good to at least believe in something, I guess. Someone always told me, “God is Love.” But I don’t see a lot of people doing that these days. It’s like every man for himself/herself whatever. Longest running lie in human history.

[AnaleFaust]

For the "religion of peace", they sure do kill alot

[AnaleFaust]

Originally Posted by shipoopi ↗

Poor guy.

Not all Muslims are violent. To accuse all Muslims of believing in violence is like accusing all Christians of supporting the Crusades and the Inquisition, or that all Christians bomb abortion clinics.

The Crusades (which was retaliatory) and bombing abortion clinics (evil people who murder the unborn) are justifiable. Killing people for worshiping a different god or mocking a pedophile is not.