[mgedenfield]

Originally Posted by Softballmama13 ↗

Un-fucking-believable!! I cannot for the life of me, understand WHY she would choose to abort A baby that far along with this MINOR of A problem! I know all the bullshit about small country, can't afford surgery and ALL those lame assed excuses, this one blow's my mind!!

And I am soooo pro choice..but I agree, these were minor problems...some people have no heart

[mrsandman187]

Originally Posted by starseller ↗

Abortion as a means of birth-control is what frustrates and angers those of us on the pro-life side of the issue. If you don't want a baby, use a condom. If it breaks, see a Dr. THE NEXT DAY to get a "morning-after pill". But DON'T carry a baby for 20 weeks and then decide you do not want it, or you don't want it because it has a facial feature out of place. The latter is what Adolf Fucking Hitler carried out, tyring to breed his "Super Race". I hope Satan has a special room in hell where mommies and babies like this can be reuinted some day and the baby is able to rip out the mommies uterus and super-glue her vag. Whatever the baby wants for revenge he/she gets to carry out against this cunt-whore of a "mommy"... Die In A Fire you bitch.

how cute, you still believe in heaven and hell. awe... you'll grow up some day kiddo!

[rhinana]

NICU RN here.

"Organ dissection showed a small cerebellum with neuroglial heterotopias, a cardiac defect (patent foramen ovale), intestinal malrotation, hypoplastic kidneys, accessory spleen..."

These issues plus the symmetrical growth restriction (& the syndrome in general) would have made for a VERY poor outcome for this baby. I doubt she would have survived.

The perinatal genetic counselling people do not take these cases lightly. This baby would have been past the legal abortion gestation and there must have been a damn poor predicted outcome for them to advise termination. Think of the alternative: having the child suffer for weeks/months being intubated, poked for multiple tests and lines, experiencing painful procedures and struggling to survive in the NICU. In my opinion that is cruel punishment for these "minor deformities" that are most likely incompatible with life.

[TheHag]

Originally Posted by mrsandman187 ↗

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Wolf-Hirschhorn syndrome confirmed by comparative genomic hybridization array:

Case 2
A 37-year-old primigravida was referred to our clinic for genetic counseling at 23 weeks of gestation due to presence of growth restriction in serial obstetric scans since the 13th week of gestation. The couple was healthy, no consanguineous, with unremarkable medical history. An amniocentesis was performed at 23 weeks of pregnancy, and the fetal karyotype was compatible with the diagnosis of WHS. a-CGH analysis showed with high precision a 19.3 Mb terminal 4p deletion, in the area 4p15.3-pter. After extensive counseling, the family decided to terminate the pregnancy and agreed to an autopsy for the fetus. A female fetus was delivered at 24 weeks after medical induction. Fetal autopsy showed external features of facial dysmorphism with bilateral cleft lip, hypertelorism, broad and high nasal bridge, small filter and large ears (Figure 1). The skull was oval shaped, consistent with the helmet-like typical description of WHS related facial appearance. The somatometric parameters indicated a symmetric restriction of fetal growth. Organ dissection showed a small cerebellum with neuroglial heterotopias, a cardiac defect (patent foramen ovale), intestinal malrotation, hypoplastic kidneys, accessory spleen and enlarged ovaries. Placenta was hypotrophic with a weight of 170 g without any significant macroscopic or histological abnormalities; the umbilical cord presented three vessels. Growth velocities were equivalent to 20 weeks of pregnancy.
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What is Wolf-Hirschhorn syndrome?
Wolf-Hirschhorn syndrome is a condition that affects many parts of the body. The major features of this disorder include a characteristic facial appearance, delayed growth and development, intellectual disability, and seizures.
Almost everyone with this disorder has distinctive facial features, including a broad, flat nasal bridge and a high forehead. This combination is described as a "Greek warrior helmet" appearance. The eyes are widely spaced and may be protruding. Other characteristic facial features include a shortened distance between the nose and upper lip (a short philtrum), a downturned mouth, a small chin (micrognathia), and poorly formed ears with small holes (pits) or flaps of skin (tags). Additionally, affected individuals may have asymmetrical facial features and an unusually small head (microcephaly).
People with Wolf-Hirschhorn syndrome experience delayed growth and development. Slow growth begins before birth, and affected infants tend to have problems feeding and gaining weight (failure to thrive). They also have weak muscle tone (hypotonia) and underdeveloped muscles. Motor skills such as sitting, standing, and walking are significantly delayed. Most children and adults with this disorder also have short stature.
Intellectual disability ranges from mild to severe in people with Wolf-Hirschhorn syndrome. Compared to people with other forms of intellectual disability, their socialization skills are strong, while verbal communication and language skills tend to be weaker. Most affected children also have seizures, which may be resistant to treatment. Seizures tend to disappear with age.

Seizures tend to disappear with age....?

So pretty much she aborted a child b/c it was going to be short, ugly, and retarded.


Sounds like an asshole move to me.

[mrsandman187]

Originally Posted by TheHag ↗

Seizures tend to disappear with age....?

So pretty much she aborted a child b/c it was going to be short, ugly, and retarded.


Sounds like an asshole move to me.

Again, read more, post less.


NICU RN here.

"Organ dissection showed a small cerebellum with neuroglial heterotopias, a cardiac defect (patent foramen ovale), intestinal malrotation, hypoplastic kidneys, accessory spleen..."

These issues plus the symmetrical growth restriction (& the syndrome in general) would have made for a VERY poor outcome for this baby. I doubt she would have survived.

The perinatal genetic counselling people do not take these cases lightly. This baby would have been past the legal abortion gestation and there must have been a damn poor predicted outcome for them to advise termination.

Think of the alternative: having the child suffer for weeks/months being intubated, poked for multiple tests and lines, experiencing painful procedures and struggling to survive in the NICU. In my opinion that is cruel punishment for these "minor deformities" that are most likely incompatible with life.

[starseller]

Originally Posted by mrsandman187 ↗

how cute, you still believe in heaven and hell. awe... you'll grow up some day kiddo!

Damn, I'm sorry lady--I forgot that you were an expert on what happens after death. You are dead, correct? Speaking from first-hand experience?

Well, I would much rather believe and be wrong than to not believe and be wrong. But thanks for the reply anyway.

Oh and by the way?

Fuck Off.

[reddeadcolt45]

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[reddeadcolt45]

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[kys]

I am shocked by some of the comments on this thread. So many of you have passed judgement on this mother without knowing anything about this case.

FYI, past 20 weeks it's virtually impossible to get an abortion unless there is strong medical justification. The hospital bioethics committee was likely consulted as well. The fact that the pregnancy was this far along suggests that this child was wanted, and this was probably a devastating diagnosis for the parent(s).

This language is completely uncalled for. Words like "slut" and "cunt" do not belong in an ethical debate (unless you want to sound like a hysterical right-wing lunatic. See Rush Limbaugh.) When I object to something I try and at least form a cogent argument to back up my position. Interesting that none of you so far have questioned the father's role in the decision - as always, the woman gets all the blame.

[banana dick]

Originally Posted by jinsky ↗

I am shocked by some of the comments on this thread. So many of you have passed judgement on this mother without knowing anything about this case.

FYI, past 20 weeks it's virtually impossible to get an abortion unless there is strong medical justification. The hospital bioethics committee was likely consulted as well. The fact that the pregnancy was this far along suggests that this child was wanted, and this was probably a devastating diagnosis for the parent(s).

This language is completely uncalled for. Words like "slut" and "cunt" do not belong in an ethical debate (unless you want to sound like a hysterical right-wing lunatic. See Rush Limbaugh.) When I object to something I try and at least form a cogent argument to back up my position. Interesting that none of you so far have questioned the father's role in the decision - as always, the woman gets all the blame.

the father doesn't get a role in the decision. he isn't the one that aborts the fetus, and honestly no decent woman would ever abort what she might consider to be a baby, just because a guy tells her to. in the end the decision is always hers.