[Lion-hearted Girl]

Originally Posted by Riddla ↗

I love how everyone tries to be politically correct.

Labeling everything as a disease nowadays. Slaves who ran away from their master were said to have a mental disease as well.

Newsflash....mental illness IS a disease. It is caused by a chemical imbalance.

[leadf00t]

What a waste :(

[philovan]

Originally Posted by Lion-hearted Girl ↗

Newsflash....mental illness IS a disease. It is caused by a chemical imbalance.

Newsflash: mental illness is correlated with chemical imbalance. Learn the difference between causation and correlation, a basic tenet of science. It is impossible to determine, from the correlation of A with B whether (1) any causal relationship exists between them, or (2) the direction of any causal relationship that may exist. In the present case, as far as anyone can determine, chemical imbalance may be a result, not a cause of mental aberrations. It is only on purely materialistic metaphysical premises (not empirical scientific research) that causal relations are assumed to run exclusively from the physical to the mental, not vice versa. Practicing physicians know well that they often run from the mental to the physical.

[Lion-hearted Girl]

Originally Posted by philovan ↗

Newsflash: mental illness is correlated with chemical imbalance. Learn the difference between causation and correlation, a basic tenet of science. It is impossible to determine, from the correlation of A with B whether (1) any causal relationship exists between them, or (2) the direction of any causal relationship that may exist. In the present case, as far as anyone can determine, chemical imbalance may be a result, not a cause of mental aberrations. It is only on purely materialistic metaphysical premises (not empirical scientific research) that causal relations are assumed to run exclusively from the physical to the mental, not vice versa. Practicing physicians know well that they often run from the mental to the physical.

For fuck's sake.

Perhaps the term "caused by" was ill used in my post. Thank you for pointing out my stupidity. I think you get what I was inferring.

Nice post.

[Cerebral222]

Originally Posted by Spiffyfable ↗

Perhaps the whole Robin Williams thing sparked this

That was one of my first thoughts on this.

[philovan]

Originally Posted by Lion-hearted Girl ↗

For fuck's sake.

Perhaps the term "caused by" was ill used in my post. Thank you for pointing out my stupidity. I think you get what I was inferring.

Nice post.

Actually, it's not clear to me what you were inferring. To label something as a "mental illness" in the current psychological and sociological climate is often a technique used to avoid attributing moral responsibility to the actions of those so labeled. If this is what you were inferring, then I disagree. If it is the case, in any particular instance, that the attitudes of a person are the cause of a physiological change (e.g. in brain chemistry) then merely pointing out the physiological results does not exculpate that person from moral accountability. I don't say that this is what you were inferring, but I have no way of knowing from your comments. I didn't intend my comments to be insulting, nor did I imply any stupidity on your part.

[candice81]

:( problems at 18 seem just like our problem at 30+ just on different levels...poor girl needed help

[Lion-hearted Girl]

Originally Posted by philovan ↗

Actually, it's not clear to me what you were inferring. To label something as a "mental illness" in the current psychological and sociological climate is often a technique used to avoid attributing moral responsibility to the actions of those so labeled. If this is what you were inferring, then I disagree. If it is the case, in any particular instance, that the attitudes of a person are the cause of a physiological change (e.g. in brain chemistry) then merely pointing out the physiological results does not exculpate that person from moral accountability. I don't say that this is what you were inferring, but I have no way of knowing from your comments. I didn't intend my comments to be insulting, nor did I imply any stupidity on your part.

It's my inference that a person committing suicide is suffering a mental illness. Brain chemistry plays a part in that. It's 2am here and that is about all I can respond with at this hour :)

[Lion-hearted Girl]

Originally Posted by philovan ↗

Actually, it's not clear to me what you were inferring. To label something as a "mental illness" in the current psychological and sociological climate is often a technique used to avoid attributing moral responsibility to the actions of those so labeled. If this is what you were inferring, then I disagree. If it is the case, in any particular instance, that the attitudes of a person are the cause of a physiological change (e.g. in brain chemistry) then merely pointing out the physiological results does not exculpate that person from moral accountability. I don't say that this is what you were inferring, but I have no way of knowing from your comments. I didn't intend my comments to be insulting, nor did I imply any stupidity on your part.

And what morals exactly are you referring to? Suicide is not a "moral" choice in my opinion. If yours differs then,

[LrlynJy]

Originally Posted by khaos89 ↗

What an ignorant post, I am bipolar hence suffer from manic depression from time to time. Instead of wallowing in self pity (like you I imagine) I actually do something productive with my life which helps tremendously. There is your $10.

can i have the $10 dollars that both of you doesnt want to keep?