[WonderMomma]

lol @ categorizing ISW as "twitter experts".

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

lol @ categorizing ISW as "twitter experts".

Yeah Twitter is just one of their presences. Their main outlet is https://www.understandingwar.org/

Central and eastern Soledar is taken by Russian forces, mainly Wagner. Western outskirts of Soledar is not controlled by Rus forces and fighting is ongoing right now.

There is a ton of tension between Wagner and Russian Ministry of Defense, comments in Wagner Telegrams are spicy. This is because Russian military has claimed they occupy Soledar when it's pretty clear Wagner forces are doing this. This especially heated up when General Gerasimov took charge of the Russian forces in Ukraine yesterday, who apparently has a very negative opinion of Prigozhin and Wagner.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Question now are the towns of Krasna Hora and Blahodatne.

[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

Yeah Twitter is just one of their presences. Their main outlet is https://www.understandingwar.org/

Central and eastern Soledar is taken by Russian forces, mainly Wagner. Western outskirts of Soledar is not controlled by Rus forces and fighting is ongoing right now.

There is a ton of tension between Wagner and Russian Ministry of Defense, comments in Wagner Telegrams are spicy. This is because Russian military has claimed they occupy Soledar when it's pretty clear Wagner forces are doing this. This especially heated up when General Gerasimov took charge of the Russian forces in Ukraine yesterday, who apparently has a very negative opinion of Prigozhin and Wagner.

Yeah, been perusing ISW.com since the beginning of the invasion. Not 100% reliable but more so than many and one of the more knowledgeable all inclusive sources out there. I'm sure others will disagree and that's ok. I might be partial to their novel-esque posts.

I saw that tension going on... today... Putin and Progozhin are macho dick sword fighting. Inevitable. I imagine that is not going to go away. Just think about everything we don't know. There is always so much more to things.

[Faust]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

They're not incorrect, those posts. It's been out there for months the question why the Russians have such a hard on for Bakhmut and Soledar, they're not particularly important. They actually have an excellent track record of being right. Too bad you can't see this reply.

You still don’t seem to understand that the supposed importance is directly linked to any Ukrainian advantage.
If they have control then it is a strong strategic stronghold protecting precious supply routes and whatnot. And then when Ukraine loses it then it turns out it has little value and it is weird why anyone would put soldiers there.

I am calling it now: should/ once Kiev gets destroyed, they will write something like

“Kiev has no value since central command relocated months ago, also Zelensky can use Zoom from Poland as the Russians are still unable to take out communications satellites” and you will nod your head in agreement.

No offence, this is merely an observation.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

You still don’t seem to understand that the supposed importance is directly linked to any Ukrainian advantage.
If they have control then it is a strong strategic stronghold protecting precious supply routes and whatnot. And then when Ukraine loses it then it turns out it has little value and it is weird why anyone would put soldiers there.

I am calling it now: should/ once Kiev gets destroyed, they will write something like

“Kiev has no value since central command relocated months ago, also Zelensky can use Zoom from Poland as the Russians are still unable to take out communications satellites” and you will nod your head in agreement.

No offence, this is merely an observation.

Incorrect. There are multiple examples of Ukraine losing control of a certain town/area and no one was saying that place was "useless anyway". A large example was in the war's first days when Kherson city was lost. Definitely not useless and this caused a big issue and people were saying the general in charge of its defense should be punished. Another example, Popasna. Another example, Severodonyetsk and Lysychansk. Another example, Mariupol, largely for its port access. Another example, Rubizhne.

You can fantasize about western media and Faust on your own time, it won't be in here.

[WonderMomma]

I have to agree that implying that Ukraine (or the rest of the world) would chalk Kyiv off as meaningless if lost is... irrational? Ludicrous, absurd.

Kyiv is a capital city. The largest city in the country. It's administrative/governmental capital. I wouldn't say that Soledar is useless but it certainly isn't comparable to Kyiv, if Kyiv was lost.

[Roosta]

Re: Whiskey's Briefing Room
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Originally Posted by Faust View Post
Again, these twitter experts are completely reactionary and never able to predict anything. Their mere goal is to uphold a “Ukraine is winning” narrative while all the Ukrainian cities are turning into Aleppo one by one

WOP.
They're not incorrect, those posts. It's been out there for months the question why the Russians have such a hard on for Bakhmut and Soledar, they're not particularly important. They actually have an excellent track record of being right. Too bad you can't see this reply.

[WonderMomma]

The S-400 air defense division was deployed in Moscow - the Russian media.

A complex of vehicles with a radar station in an active position was spotted between Losin Island and Sokolniki.

[WonderMomma]

In addition to transferring 14 units of Challenger 2 tanks to Ukraine, the UK also announced the delivery of 30 units of 155-mm AS-90 self-propelled guns at once. It is reported by Sky News.