[WonderMomma]

This thread is for combat & aftermath footage from the first 8 years of the war. From time to time I run into footage from this era of the war and never know where to put it.

Feel free to post anything (combat/aftermath related) you may have or find from the Russian/Ukrainian conflict from 2014 through the start of the current invasion in February 2022. I'm going to "borrow" Kellyhound's info from his first posts of the current threads.

Only comments related to the posted vids/pics allowed and your thoughts about the war/nazi's/propaganda/Putin/Zelensky or this announcement you can put in the stickied discussion thread or in pm otherwise they get deleted. If you don't follow these simple guidelines warnings and infractions will be handed out.

Also don't post images of dead kids in here. When the post involves, injured, children please put a child warning in your description.

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[WonderMomma]

"Fighting for the Donetsk airport began 9 years ago.

On that day, the Russian "liberators" for the first time demonstrated their outstanding abilities, shooting each other during the first clash.

The Russians, retreating from the airport, ran into an ambush of Khodakovsky's militants."

[Faust]

This documentary has some excellent footage as well; big civilian warning though

[WonderMomma]

1. Posted 18 January 2022: "Now I will post a new video from January, in which fighters with SG-9 suppress the enemy's firing point, an engineering structure for covering infantry. By the way, the Ukrainians are firing from the positions where the militants stood last year. Step by step, the army is returning Ukraine to Ukraine."

2. Posted 19 January 2022 but references summer of 2021: "Once again about LNG. On the video: this is how the shelling of a group of separatists from the side of Ukrainian positions looks like. Fire is conducted with LNG-9. last summer Not far from Mariupol."

3. Posted 22 January 2022: "Pisky village. This is the closest Ukrainian-controlled settlement to Donetsk. DAP runway is two kilometers away. However, "populated" is too loud. Currently, only four residents live in Pisky. The present day of the village after the meeting with the "Russian peace" in this video."

[Faust]

Ukrainian Army bombing Ukrainian civilians with Su-25 on June 2nd 2014.

note: Before any of you mourn; these are the ‘Russian speaking, praying to the Russian orthodox Gods’ -Ukrainian civilians so instead of: you can go ahead and:

[WonderMomma]

**CIVILIAN WARNING**

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

Ukrainian Army bombing Ukrainian civilians with Su-25 on June 2nd 2014.

note: Before any of you mourn; these are the ‘Russian speaking, praying to the Russian orthodox Gods’ -Ukrainian civilians so instead of: you can go ahead and:

There is ZERO need for you to say shit like this. It's nothing more than you putting words in peoples' mouth and making ignorant assumptions.

Most of the regular members that come in here every day don't like to see civilians die for any reason, even if it is by Ukraine defending its territory.

It's never ok when civilians of any persuasion die but it unfortunately happens. Where there is Russia/Russian separatists militants trying to take territory that does not belong to them, there will be actions by Ukraine to defend their territory. It doesn't appear they were targeting apartment buildings and residential structures like Russia has been doing for a year and a half.

Unfortunately we're going to be seeing more innocent people caught in the crossfire as Ukraine attempts to take back their territory that Russia has illegally occupied since this incident took place.

You provided little direct information about it so I did some digging and found a video as well.

Summary: On 2 June 2014, an explosion occurred in the Luhansk state administration building which was the site of an active siege by pro-Russian LPR militia. Read more about that entire siege here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_...sk_Border_Base

Here is an article on this specific airstrike. Source: https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-unsp.../25410384.html

Despite Denials, All Evidence For Deadly Explosion Points To Kyiv
June 04, 2014 15:07 GMT

On June 2 an explosion ripped through the Luhansk state administration building.

Before anyone knew what had happened, graphic video from the scene began to appear online. A dazed woman with her legs blown off and seemingly near death stared blankly into a camera amid rubble and lifeless bodies.

Just as soon, rumors began to spread about what had taken place.

As is happening more and more frequently, both the pro-Russian and pro-Ukrainian sides were quick to latch onto stories that fit comfortably into their narrative of events on the ground.

Separatist supporters reported almost immediately that the attack came from a Ukrainian fighter jet.

From Ukrainian officials, the denials were swift. "The most likely cause of the explosion was careless and inept handling of small arms and explosives," Oleksandr Dmytrashevskyy, a Ukrainian military spokesman, told RFE/RL's Ukrainian Service.

Andriy Senchenko, deputy chief of staff for acting President Oleksandr Turchynov, declared that a heat-seeking missile fired by pro-Russian separatists had mistakenly targeted an air-conditioning unit on the fourth floor of the administration building.

Pro-Ukrainian supporters were quick to run with the story:


Despite the Ukrainian denials, the evidence from observers and journalists on the ground overwhelmingly points to a strike from a Ukrainian aircraft.

A June 3 report from the special monitoring mission of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) said:
"Based on the SMM's limited observation these strikes were the result of non-guided rockets shot from an aircraft. The number of casualties is unknown."

The OSCE did not immediately reply to a request for further information.

A CNN investigation found "clear evidence" that the detonations came from the air:
"But a CNN investigation in Luhansk has found clear evidence that whatever detonations hit the building and the adjoining park came from the air. The tops of trees were splintered, and a series of small craters -- about a dozen -- had been blasted in a straight line, starting in the park and reaching the walls of the building, blowing out many of its windows and spraying the area with jagged shrapnel. That's what appears to have killed most of the victims and injured 20 more.

"The pattern of the craters clearly indicated some sort of strafing, according to a munitions expert at the scene with CNN. Their size suggested 30-millimeter ordnance, he said, which is standard equipment on the Su-25, a ground-attack fighter, and the Su-27 -- both combat aircraft operated by Ukraine."

Anna Nemtsova, a reporter for the "Daily Beast," tweeted this from the scene on June 3:



In a dispatch from the scene, Nemtsova also reported seeing 21 craters.

The Ukrainian military -- which has been in a pitched battle for two days against separatists who launched an attack on a border outpost in the region -- has used fighter jets to support its mission in Luhansk.

But it still has not claimed responsibility for the attack on the state administration building, where reports say eight unarmed civilians died.

And the dissembling has become a useful propaganda tool for the Russian side, while apparently hardening public opinion in Luhansk.

A photo making the rounds on Twitter, along with horrific images from the scene, shows the second World Trade Center building being hit on 9/11. The caption says, "air conditioner explosion."

Alex Luhn, a "Guardian" reporter, posted this image of Ukraine's president-elect, who met with U.S. President Obama on June 4 and is due to be sworn in on June 7:



And on a nationally televised Russian talk show hosted by Arkady Mamontov -- a well-known host who has provided a steady stream of sensationalist propaganda about Ukraine -- commentators said the actions proved the separatists were the last defense against "fascism and American aggression."

All this raises a more troubling question for Kyiv. As it ramps up its offensive against pro-Russian separatists, there are likely to be more civilian casualties -- particularly as air power plays a greater role. If it accepts this, is it also prepared to talk honestly about the consequences of war?

[Faust]

The following clip is showing Ukrainian civilian/residential areas being shelled. (But remember, this is 2015, and the scared civilians you see running around would 7 years later, allegedly, vote to have Russian passports so they are not really Ukrainian like the ones we see on twitter)

[Faust]

Some more shelling and also some civilians speaking out about it:

[Faust]

Some more civilian shelling:

I personally don’t think it is a war crime if they are your own people (at least not technically)

Edit:

“ If an attack is directed against a country's own population during peacetime or in the absence of an armed conflict, it may still constitute a crime under domestic law, but it would not be considered a war crime. In such cases, it may be categorized as crimes against humanity, genocide, or other relevant offenses under national or international law.”

In general most people would not say these videos are war crimes because otherwise it would have really been on the news in the past 8 years

[scoRch]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

Some more civilian shelling:

I personally don’t think it is a war crime if they are your own people (at least not technically)

Took me less than a minute to google the definition of war crimes.

Other serious violations of the laws and customs applicable in international armed conflict, within the established framework of international law, namely, any of the following acts:

Intentionally directing attacks against the civilian population as such or against individual civilians not taking direct part in hostilities;
Intentionally directing attacks against civilian objects, that is, objects which are not military objectives;


Also, they are ukrainians. Not russians. According to the defintion above it doesnt matter what nation those civilians belong to. It is a war crime.