[VileBreed]

Originally Posted by K-Blast ↗

Cool, so, if victory's assured anyway, why don't you and Faust go ahead, sign up with the ruSSian army, and throw yourself at Ukrainian guns?



Ah, yes, the might of the Soviet war machine, dusting off T-55's while Ukrainians train on American-built Abrams.



If you Soviet simps had a nickel for every time you lie about shit, maybe you wouldn't be so desperately jealous of Western wealth.

Yeah, you two are the real winners in this war

“Jealous of western wealth”.

I am American lol. You think that anyone who supports Russia over Ukraine must be living in Russia or something?

You can’t possibly be that closed minded.

I look at facts. This war could have been easily avoided if you just read about the build up and to what lead to this situation.

Now we are stuck sending billions of tax dollars to a country that openly honors Nazi war criminals. It’s not a secret, just read about, view videos on YouTube from independent sources, not Russian sources.

Ukraine is notorious for its Neo Nazi past and present. They name their streets to this day after people who took part in massacres of hundreds of thousands of Jews, Poles and USSR supporting Ukrainians.

I refuse to deny these facts and will not be a sheep by supporting this country.

[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by VileBreed ↗

Wanted to say this for a while, lets take a look at some factors as to why Ukraine has no chance of defeating Russia at this point in my opinion:

1. Russias military industrial complex is now running 24/7 producing munitions, guns and tanks while Ukraine has no military industrial complex.

Ukraine relies strictly on charitable handouts. No army can survive long off of charity no matter the size of the contributions.

2. Russia has implemented a brilliant military strategy even though it may not look like that to the naked eye.

Russia knows they cannot take Ukraine at this time so instead they built impenetrable defenses over the past year rendering Ukrainian forces virtually powerless to make any further significant gains like they did back in September. Ukraine should have gone all the way when they had the chance. That window has now closed.

And because of all the money and equipment donated to Ukraine, they must continue to make moves, there is simply too much pressure on them to keep this war at a stalemate.

Because of this, Russia is simply going to bleed Ukrainian forces dry by consistently defending occupied territories from Ukrainian counter attacks, while inflicting catastrophic losses on UA forces.

Once Ukraine is depleted of men of fighting age, Russia will simply move right in and take Kyiv without a fight.

This of course will not happen this year or next year. Russia will maintain this strategy for the next 4-5 years. They are experts at dragging out long term conflicts.

3. Ukraine has already lost a significant amount of men not far off from what Russia has already lost in the war. Won’t be long until they start recruiting 16 year olds to the fight.

Russia meanwhile has a population three times the size of Ukraine and is for the most part fully behind the war and willing to lose millions of men all in the name of victory.

Only chance now that Ukraine has of successfully pushing Russia out of its territory is if NATO enters the conflict, in which case it will be World War 3 and we will all be dead anyway, so we know that’s not going to happen.

If I am wrong then I will own up to it, but I doubt that I am, and I think what I pointed out here is already playing out, sooner than I thought it would.

Whatever it is you're smokin', pass it this way, please.

I'd like to borrow your crystal ball too.

[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by VileBreed ↗

Ukraine is notorious for its Neo Nazi past and present. They name their streets to this day after people who took part in massacres of hundreds of thousands of Jews, Poles and USSR supporting Ukrainians.

This again.

We Americans are notorious for our Neo Nazi past and present. Russia is notorious for Neo Nazi past and present and they have the largest concentration of them of ANY COUNTRY. Germany is notorious for its Neo Nazi past and present.

Poland, Croatia, Canada, United Kingdom, Hungary, Brazil!, Italy!, Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Belgium, Australia, Austria, Norway, Finland... etc. etc. etc. Yes, they exist in Ukraine too.

Every predominantly white populated country has Neo Nazi's. Russia should have invaded itself first before marching out to other countries to denazify them. It's just a hypocritical excuse by Russia to steal territory for its resources. Same with the LGBT thing, same with the satanist thing... nothing but playing "God" deciding who is what and subsequently eliminating, purging, doing away with them.

Ludicrous.

[VileBreed]

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

This again.

We Americans are notorious for our Neo Nazi past and present. Russia is notorious for Neo Nazi past and present and they have the largest concentration of them of ANY COUNTRY. Germany is notorious for its Neo Nazi past and present.

Poland, Croatia, Canada, United Kingdom, Hungary, Brazil!, Italy!, Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Belgium, Australia, Austria, Norway, Finland... etc. etc. etc. Yes, they exist in Ukraine too.

Every predominantly white populated country has Neo Nazi's. Russia should have invaded itself first before marching out to other countries to denazify them. It's just a hypocritical excuse by Russia to steal territory for its resources. Same with the LGBT thing, same with the satanist thing... nothing but playing "God" deciding who is what and subsequently eliminating, purging, doing away with them.

Ludicrous.

“America’s Neo Nazi past”.

Yeah, okay. You are comparing a bunch KKK nobodies who probably killed less than 20 people in its entire 100 year history to people like Bandera who massacred hundreds of thousands of people in a span of two years.

I don’t see any streets named after KKK figureheads in the US. Even Confederate general statues have already been removed.

Meanwhile the exact opposite is happening in Ukraine, and to top it off, they haven’t even acknowledged half of the massacres they committed to this day despite there being countless records of it.

That’s what’s ludicrous.

[Guns N' Coffee]

How many people has Putin massacred?

[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by Guns N' Coffee ↗

How many people has Putin massacred?

[Faust]

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

Obviously it was a typo. But leave it to you to take full advantage.

I thought you implied it is like a necessary evil (with you being an American and having CNN explain to you pre-emptive strike at the time for days until everybody bought it back in the day, with this conflict being an actual pre-emptive strike).

Originally Posted by K-Blast ↗

Cool, so, if victory's assured anyway, why don't you and Faust go ahead, sign up with the ruSSian army, and throw yourself at Ukrainian guns?

That is your misunderstanding. You yourself don’t deny the western sources and the whole documented “you can defeat Russia and take back Crimea and we will arm and help you” buildup that happened in the years prior.

Russia promised to absolutely destroy Ukraine if they didn’t sign neutrality and let go of those plans.
Ukraine was never going to win this thing

Either Ukraine would be completely demolished with hundreds of thousands of its soldiers killed, the vast majority of its military destroyed and thousands of its civilians killed with millions displaced and thousands of square kilometres of its country lost.
-or-
Russia would basically start world war 3 if Ukraine succeeded in actually taking Crimea even though this option would be extremely unlikely.

I cannot talk for VileBreed but I assume he also listened to academics and experts voicing probabilities of those scenarios and came to the conclusion that either Ukraine would be fucked, or Ukraine and the entire world would be fucked.
Only because that would also damage Russia.

Damaging Russia to me does NOT justify seeing all those Ukrainians killed, both soldiers and civilians. Sorry if you guys think it does, or thought that Ukraine was going to “win” anything (or Russia for that matter). It is only death and destruction until the US decides it doesn’t want to pay for it anymore.

[duntez]

Originally Posted by Guns N' Coffee ↗

How many people has Putin massacred?

Obviously much more than UA did prior to his invasion, which west world didn’t care much about.

[duntez]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

I thought you implied it is like a necessary evil (with you being an American and having CNN explain to you pre-emptive strike at the time for days until everybody bought it back in the day, with this conflict being an actual pre-emptive strike).



That is your misunderstanding. You yourself don’t deny the western sources and the whole documented “you can defeat Russia and take back Crimea and we will arm and help you” buildup that happened in the years prior.

Russia promised to absolutely destroy Ukraine if they didn’t sign neutrality and let go of those plans.
Ukraine was never going to win this thing

Either Ukraine would be completely demolished with hundreds of thousands of its soldiers killed, the vast majority of its military destroyed and thousands of its civilians killed with millions displaced and thousands of square kilometres of its country lost.
-or-
Russia would basically start world war 3 if Ukraine succeeded in actually taking Crimea even though this option would be extremely unlikely.

I cannot talk for VileBreed but I assume he also listened to academics and experts voicing probabilities of those scenarios and came to the conclusion that either Ukraine would be fucked, or Ukraine and the entire world would be fucked.
Only because that would also damage Russia.

Damaging Russia to me does NOT justify seeing all those Ukrainians killed, both soldiers and civilians. Sorry if you guys think it does, or thought that Ukraine was going to “win” anything (or Russia for that matter). It is only death and destruction until the US decides it doesn’t want to pay for it anymore.

Russia will fall from inside out only IMO. Need to win that internal propaganda, which is pretty fucking hard ofc. While people Trully believe they are doing the right thing, Russias man resources are vast. Once this trust is broken, Kremlin will fall like it did in 91.

[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by VileBreed ↗

“America’s Neo Nazi past”.

Yeah, okay. You are comparing a bunch KKK nobodies who probably killed less than 20 people in its entire 100 year history to people like Bandera who massacred hundreds of thousands of people in a span of two years.

I don’t see any streets named after KKK figureheads in the US. Even Confederate general statues have already been removed.

Meanwhile the exact opposite is happening in Ukraine, and to top it off, they haven’t even acknowledged half of the massacres they committed to this day despite there being countless records of it.

That’s what’s ludicrous.

Meanwhile you have Russians who slaughtered hundreds if not thousands in Mariupol naming those streets after autocrats, murderous dictators like Lenin and Stalin. Those two committed genocide on a grand scale killing millions and millions of people and Russia still glorifies them. GTFO.