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03-01-2023, 04:03 PM
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Re: Russian/Ukraine War Discussion Thread V
 LMFAONice pluck of statement out of context. You say this is him asking for US to send their troops to Ukraine? Perfect example of how pro-Russian "experts" take shit and twist it to fit their narrative. ""Is this real? Zelensky saying Americans will send their sons and daughters to war for Ukraine and potentially die. Oh hell no," The Hodgetwins wrote in a caption. The 19-second clip has gone viral on Twitter, garnering more than 3.5 million views at the time of writing since it was posted on Tuesday night. The Facts The short clip is missing a lot of context—Zelensky's remarks were in response to a wider question about opinion polls in the U.S. that indicate a growing number of Americans believe the Biden administration is providing too much support to Ukraine. Ukraine's president was asked about what his message would be to Americans with those concerns. Zelensky began by thanking Americans for showing support to Ukraine, and said he believed withdrawing or decreasing support could hypothetically have an impact on their children, should Russia win the war as a result. "Are American children any different from ours? Don't Americans enjoy the same things as we do?" he asked rhetorically. "I don't think we're very different." Zelensky suggested that if American support for Ukraine weakened and depleted, and Kyiv went on to lose the war against Russia, NATO members including the U.S. risk being dragged into a bigger conflict. This, Zelensky predicted, is because "Russia is going to enter Baltic states, NATO member states, and then the U.S. will have to send their sons and daughters, exactly the same way as we are sending our sons and daughters, to war. "And they will have to fight because it's NATO that we're talking about and they will be dying, God forbid, because it's a horrible thing." Misleading Material. The clip was removed from its important and clarifying context, giving a misleading impression of what Zelensky said. The Ukrainian leader's remarks were a hypothetical answer about what could happen should Ukraine lose the war to Russia, partially due to decreased support from the United States. The president speculated that Russia would start a broader conflict with NATO's Baltic allies, pulling the U.S. directly into fighting a war, meaning Americans would end up sending their children to the battlefield in Europe. Zelensky did not suggest that Americans should send their children to fight now for Ukraine against Russian forces." Full event with English CC available on YT https://www.youtube.com/live/ZxxQlbiM8EM?feature=share
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03-01-2023, 04:14 PM
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Re: Russian/Ukraine War Discussion Thread V
Ukraine again has existed for centuries prior to the USSR. Not quite what you’re referring to when you say short history.
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03-01-2023, 04:22 PM
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Re: Russian/Ukraine War Discussion Thread V
I also want to point out that for the Ukrainians, Bakhmut is not being used to parade around for being victims of the war. They became victims of the war on Day 1 of the invasion. Also that could go as far back as 2014….as far back as 1920. Bakhmut is being used by the UA as a point to bog down the Russians in any way possible. The war is not lost for Ukraine if they lose the city…tactically they already won by fertilizing the ground with Russian corpses. However…I am not sure how the Russian military would be able to recover if they keep sending men to their deaths and are effectively held out of the city. |
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03-01-2023, 04:28 PM
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Re: Russian/Ukraine War Discussion Thread V
Bakhmut also gives the Russians a rough idea of what awaits them in the next 2 cities. Battles for those are gona be much, much more difficult than Bankhmut. |
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03-01-2023, 04:35 PM
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Re: Russian/Ukraine War Discussion Thread V
Yes. Then there are reports like this: https://www.documentingreality.com/f...ml#post7852771  ·  ·
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03-01-2023, 05:57 PM
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Re: Russian/Ukraine War Discussion Thread V
Telegram. EDIT: this is the dark mode desktop version  ·
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03-01-2023, 05:58 PM
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Re: Russian/Ukraine War Discussion Thread V
more (pics) In an interesting exchange between two Russian military bloggers on Telegram, Vladlen Tatarsky writes: "Many people write about the problems of the mobilised, but delicately leave out one very sensitive issue: many mobilised people do not want to fight. Let's be clear, I'm not talking about all the mobilised, I'm talking about many. So many that it has become a problem. In 90% of cases this happens in regiments and battalions that are made up entirely of mobilized men. There is one reason for such behaviour: people were simply deceived. They were told that they were not going to any war, but that they would guard something. Of course, there are more reasons, but this is the main one in my opinion. I wonder if this problem will also be solved by humanitarian workers and deputies [of the State Duma]." Writing in response to Tatarsky, the blogger 'Unofficial Bezsonov "Z"' agrees and says:"Many cunning officers ("the real") who train the mobilised on the 'mainland', before being sent to the front, in order not to strain their brains and to avoid any problems and resentment from the mobiks. simply deceive them by telling them that they will guard the corn in the distant rear. They are taught to shoot, but not prepared mentally. As a result, they arrive, for example, in the Donetsk People's Republic, join one of the corps units and problems begin. Unlike 'real' officers, our officers know how to put a firm end to acts of disobedience, but this hampers combat operations. These problems should be solved in the rear but alas, not always." Recent video petitions recorded by mobilised soldiers have highlighted this issue. The one below describes exactly the scenario mentioned by 'Unofficial Bezsonov "Z". |
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03-01-2023, 06:00 PM
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Re: Russian/Ukraine War Discussion Thread V
That is quite a report, and honestly not surprised and that comes from a channel I've been on before Was the Telegram translate option broken? Did you use Yandex |
