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NOTE: Today is "International Volunteer Day" in Ukraine... so likely to see lots of stuff like this. There is a video of Serhiy saying all this but I didn't include it. It's just him reading the message

Dear volunteers!

The war has been going on for the ninth year. This is a brief moment for history, but an eternity for a people who seek victory on the road to peace.
All this time you are with us:
You are close in the trenches,
You are near the wounded in hospitals,
You are always on the road and wherever we, Ukrainians, need support.
Today, it is difficult to overestimate your efforts in establishing the supply routes of medicine, food, clothing and automotive equipment, which are desperately needed by our defenders.
I will say with great respect and gratitude: You have become an integral part of our confrontation and our victories!
Happy International Volunteer Day to you!
Glory to Ukraine!
Together we will win!

Commander of the United Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
Lieutenant General Serhiy NAEV
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"VOLUNTEER". The premiere of the song. Armed Forces

The author of the song, Tetyana Yarova, a singer of the Model Demonstration Orchestra of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, wrote a piece to thank the volunteers for the great work they do to strengthen Ukraine's defense capabilities and our common Victory.
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British POW Sean Pinner has returned back to Ukraine. He was exchanged 10 weeks ago in a prisoner exchange.
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Critic of Ramzan Kadyrov, Chechen opposition blogger Tumso Abdurakhmanov was killed in Sweden.

It is reported by "Radio Liberty" with reference to the information of the blogger's associates.
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Kherson is buzzing after de-occupation. Cultural Forces in action.
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Doctors in Kherson saved children from deportation by inventing illnesses for them

Hospital workers falsified children's medical cards to create the impression that they were too sick and could not be taken to the Russian Federation.

"We deliberately wrote false information that the children are sick and cannot be transported," said Olga Pilyarska, head of intensive care.
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Dance party break. Apparently this is the latest trend. The 4th video is a repost but including it here with the rest of them.
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Thank you for the kind words... just know I value and appreciate everyone here who adds valuable information/opinion from either side of the conflict.

I do all I can to respect the fact people are allowed to feel the way they feel, even if I feel differently. It's impossible to respect that in return but it's when it gets personal and disrespectful is when I'm able to dismiss someone. I'm just not interested in the personal insult trolling drama.

I've been posting mainly stuff from the Ukrainian side of the war... with a little Russian media in between. I've been thinking of posting more Russian stuff as I do feel the media posted is rather unbalanced. It's best to show things from both sides... I just don't follow many Russian sources anymore as they aren't as reliable, in my experience.

The Ukrainian sources have their heavy bias' and issues with reliability... but for me it is just different. They are in a defensive position against a huge country invading and destroying their territory and killing their people which is the fundamental "wrong" with the whole situation.

Ukraine also has to consider the consequences of any propaganda or false reporting more carefully. Almost the entire world is watching every move they make out of allegiance and support... many powerful nations providing military aid and financial support.

Russia doesn't quite qualify in the obligation of being more responsible in their information as Ukraine must be for those reasons alone. Russia just doesn't give a fuck if what they are saying is believable, rational, logical or not. I.E. denazify, special military operation, gay satanists, all Ukrainians are ugly. They don't really have anyone to answer to but themselves. Maybe China/Iran.

Russia has [more of] a proven history of misinformation, deceit, lies, and propaganda... in my experience. Many people expect me to just disregard all of that... and I cannot.

Even after saying all that... I'm also conscious of the fact that perhaps, the Ukrainian/rest of the world side of the things could very well be "orchestrated" to a degree... with the wests' proxy war scenario... it's a multifaceted, complicated situation.

So I go with what makes sense; on a primal, rudimentary, instinctual, human level. The lesser of two evils. But make no mistake... in general, the suffering and deaths of any soldier or civilian are difficult for me and I feel for the people stuck in the middle.

Sorry, I noveled you.
I also realize that there's plenty of "Shenanigans" going on BUT the underlying factor for me, is the fact that this war / invasion is nothing but a greedy land grab by a sick dictator who's stopping at nothing to achieve senseless goals in this totally unnecessary war.

You motioned this,

"But make no mistake... in general, the suffering and deaths of any soldier or civilian are difficult for me and I feel for the people stuck in the middle.

I'm the same in regard to the deaths of anyone as if you have noticed I don't thank threads or images of deceased personnel, of either side, if I can help it. I mainly thank informative, factual, clear & concise intel that you can pretty much rely on & if there is an image of a deceased person or persons, combatant or not, in the overall post by whoever has posted it, I am thanking the poster for the intel & not thanking the poster for the gory shit.

I also understand that there's plenty of "Scuttle But" going on in each camp BUT the orcs have more reason to publish propaganda than Ukraine as they are trying to justify this war each & every day. They are being absolutely massacred on the battlefield which IMO gives them more reason to create falsehoods to try & gain some traction that way as, let's face it, there pretty much fucked & on their last legs with winter approaching so using anything & everything to bolster morale & try to save a bit of face by doing so. Uk don't really have a reason to spread propaganda as they are doing an excellent job, not only defending their homeland, but advancing & pushing the enemy back so far that they are falling over each other trying to escape & in the confusion making mistakes & getting hammered by the Uk for it.

I agree that it's a multifaceted, complicated war with many variables to consider & that the west has a very strong influence in supporting Uk & that politics will be a key factor in the way that they move forward in this as everyone has their own agender but NATO as a whole, won't let each other get away with too much.
In the end we all know that war solves nothing, it keeps the arms dealers in pocket money by designing better & better systems to kill each other with, Period. Greed is a terrible sickness & through centuries of warfare, humans have not learnt this & that's pretty much why I love animals so much as we are really fucking good at nothing ! Take a look at the planet as a whole, we are certainly good at fucking shit up ha !
I will continue to support Uk till the end, whenever that may be because it's the righteous, that will prevail above all else & there was no need for this war ! ...............
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