[Faust]

Wondermomma the images are most probably fake btw the ones that are official and are supposed to show an impact crater; there is debris from the building inside the crater itself, with no further/ other debris surrounding the crater. This is near impossible to have happened by an outward explosion on impact ( even if there were some sort of vacuum after the blast)

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Faust above

WonderMomma - Yes, 200 = dead, 300 = wounded

[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

Wondermomma the images are most probably fake btw the ones that are official and are supposed to show an impact crater; there is debris from the building inside the crater itself, with no further/ other debris surrounding the crater. This is near impossible to have happened by an outward explosion on impact ( even if there were some sort of vacuum after the blast)

Reminder…. I am just posting what is available to me. Neither myself nor you are experts in blast craters or forensic photography methods and as I’ve stated multiple times… there are two stories to the incident and time will have to tell the truth. “Most probably” is not sufficient.

Also…. My eyes are seeing blast craters but who knows… I could be hallucinating

[Faust]

I was merely discussing the pictures

There is varying level of debris inside the ‘crater’, not to mention the wooden panels showing different times at which the pictures were taken (indicating the crater was already there long before the photo op)

https://twitter.com/constan_ph/statu...03064197652481

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

I was merely discussing the pictures

There is varying level of debris inside the ‘crater’, not to mention the wooden panels showing different times at which the pictures were taken (indicating the crater was already there long before the photo op)

https://twitter.com/constan_ph/statu...03064197652481

What exactly do you think the presence/absence of debris in a crater even means?

[WonderMomma]

1-2. Russians hit Kramatorsk with missiles, Donetsk region (also a very large impact crater). The occupiers hit the roadway and a car with people. 2 people who were in the car died.

3. Brief video taken today (9 Jan) from a Ukranian position in the Bakhmut-Soledar sector

[WonderMomma]

1. Another close call on a UA soldier in Soledar.

2. Ukrainian 2S7 Pion outside of Bakhmut, with a French-supplied Renault GBC 180 serving as an ammunition carrier.

[Faust]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

What exactly do you think the presence/absence of debris in a crater even means?

I stated the debris inside the crater could not have originated from the blast, and I produced footage and images to back that up

[Faust]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

I stated the debris inside the crater could not have originated from the blast, and I produced footage and images to back that up

[WonderMomma]

A 7 second video in Spanish... hmmm... Like I said... I think I'll wait until more info comes out. In any case, this isn't the thread for these types of involved discussions about your, mine, or anyone else's amateur crater/debris analysis... there are other threads for such discussions. This is for combat/war media and aftermath... not analysis or opinion editorials.

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