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I found it
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▫️In the southern direction of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as a result of today's offensive operations, they were able to slightly expand the bridgehead south of Davydov Brod and capture Sukhoi Stavok. They report repulsing the first attack of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the village of Blagodatnoye, which our military personnel recently took control of. The enemy failed to encircle the units of the RF Armed Forces defending there. A military transport helicopter Mi-8 VVSU was shot down over Kiselevka. It is also reported that the Su-25 of the Ukrainian Armed Forces was shot down north of Posad-Pokrovsky and two Su-25 attack aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces were shot down near the village of Chervony Yar, Zaporozhye region. At the moment, fighting is underway in the Olgino area near Vysokopole in the Beryslavsky district of the Kherson region.
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To the members of Team Russia, I implore you to take a deep breath and take a lavender scented bath before reading this. From what we're seeing, this is a possibility of being reality
I've been seeing that everywhere that was apparently u.s intelligence.
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More from prolific Russian blogger and former FSB agent Igor Strelkov:

Addendum to his previous post posted here:

Directly in the Kherson dirction (from Ochakovsky Liman to Snygyrevka:

Today, the enemy on a wide front (in three directions: 1. Kirovo-Alexandrovka, 2. Stepovaya Dolyna-Pravdyno, 3. Krasnoe Znamya - Ternovye Pody) went on the offensive. In every direction to BTGr. He turned in the classic way: ahead of the tanks in a battle line, behind them BMP and infantry in foot order. Before that, all night he inflicted fire damage on PU, reserves and artillery. Our artillery inflicted massive fire damage on the attacking enemy. As a result, the enemy did not succeed in the first direction - they lost 4 units of equipment, the infantry, which did not have time to jump on the tanks during the retreat, were crushed during the retreat. In the second direction, the enemy took control of the stronghold and entered Pravdyno (on the farm, on the eastern outskirts), but after the defeat by fire, he retreated to his original positions. Lost three tanks and an armored personnel carrier. In the third direction, where there was less artillery, they took possession of Ternovy Pody, and at the moment ours are trying to knock it out of there. There is a battle.
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More from prolific Russian blogger and former FSB agent Igor Strelkov:

Addendum to his previous post posted here:

Directly in the Kherson dirction (from Ochakovsky Liman to Snygyrevka:

Today, the enemy on a wide front (in three directions: 1. Kirovo-Alexandrovka, 2. Stepovaya Dolyna-Pravdyno, 3. Krasnoe Znamya - Ternovye Pody) went on the offensive. In every direction to BTGr. He turned in the classic way: ahead of the tanks in a battle line, behind them BMP and infantry in foot order. Before that, all night he inflicted fire damage on PU, reserves and artillery. Our artillery inflicted massive fire damage on the attacking enemy. As a result, the enemy did not succeed in the first direction - they lost 4 units of equipment, the infantry, which did not have time to jump on the tanks during the retreat, were crushed during the retreat. In the second direction, the enemy took control of the stronghold and entered Pravdyno (on the farm, on the eastern outskirts), but after the defeat by fire, he retreated to his original positions. Lost three tanks and an armored personnel carrier. In the third direction, where there was less artillery, they took possession of Ternovy Pody, and at the moment ours are trying to knock it out of there. There is a battle.
So he's version is closer to the Rus side.
according to your original post UA went deeper 16-20km south from the Pravdyno. Thats quite a lot for one day. so I assume the truth is somewhere in the middle? lol
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So he's version is closer to the Rus side.
according to your original post UA went deeper 16-20km south from the Pravdyno. Thats quite a lot for one day. so I assume the truth is somewhere in the middle? lol
Duntez you need to stop assuming I'm posting Russian stuff with ulterior motives. Unlike you I post the other side sometimes. Reason - Igor Strelkov isn't neck deep in Russian propaganda, he clearly values more accurate information and that the classic Russian/Soviet misinformation model which literally has books written on the subject don't help the situation on the ground.
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Duntez you need to stop assuming I'm posting Russian stuff with ulterior motives. Unlike you I post the other side sometimes. Reason - Igor Strelkov isn't neck deep in Russian propaganda, he clearly values more accurate information and that the classic Russian/Soviet misinformation model which literally has books written on the subject don't help the situation on the ground.
Ive never assumed so, ur crazy to even think that way. Like I don't know what's your side in this conflict Occasionally I post too idk where you going all the time when I do...last two were when I said it was clever of Ukr to use BMP turret remotely and Russians couldn't figure out how come after direct hits of ATGMs that machine gun is still working, the other one when again it was clever with a elements of dumb they used 82mm mortar for RPG7...and I had more videos before.
About Strelkov...im pretty sure true reason why ur following him is because he was trashing Rus Army for a good period of time and not because he's an etalon of Russian propaganda. Im surprised myself how come he's still not in a jail for that.
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ISW report on Ukranain Counteroffensive: August 29

https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...ment-august-29

Ukrainian military officials announced that Ukrainian forces began a counteroffensive operation in Kherson Oblast on August 29 after severely disrupting Russian ground lines of communication (GLOCs) for weeks. Southern Operational Command Spokesperson Nataliya Gumenyuk stated that Ukrainian forces “began counteroffensive actions in many directions” and have broken through the first line of defense in an unspecified area.[11] The Ukrainian operational group “Kakhovka” stated that Ukrainian forces have cut Russian GLOCs across the Dnipro River in Kherson Oblast and called the situation a “brilliant chance to return [Ukrainian] territories.”[12] The “Kakhovka” group also reported that the Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) 109th Regiment and Russian airborne troops have left their positions in an unspecified area of Kherson Oblast, and Ukrainian wires claimed that these elements withdrew from their positions around Kherson City.[13] The DNR 109th Regiment had previously published an appeal to Russian President Vladimir Putin in late June identifying itself as a forcibly mobilized unit, complaining that it had not been rotated away from the front line for rest, and decrying poor conditions on the frontlines.[14] Ukrainian military officials also released a DNR document dated July 24 that ordered the redeployment of the 109th, 113th, and 125th DNR regiments to Arkhanhelske, Vysokopillya, Zolota Balka, and Davydiv Brid in northwestern Kherson Oblast.[15] “Kakhovka” also shared footage reportedly of a Russian serviceman seeking shelter on the ground amidst heavy artillery shelling while saying that Ukrainian forces have broken the first line of defense on August 29.[16] Ukrainian officials did not discuss the directionality of Ukrainian counteroffensives.

Ukrainian and Russian officials called for civilians to evacuate or seek shelter in western Kherson Oblast on August 28-29. Ukrainian Kherson Oblast officials called on civilians to leave Kherson Oblast to get out of the way of Ukrainian forces and directed those choosing to stay in Kherson Oblast to seek shelter away from Russian military equipment.[17] Occupation authorities of Nova Kakhkovka, where Ukrainian forces have frequently targeted Russian military infrastructure and GLOCS, called on civilians to seek shelter due to extensive Ukrainian strikes on August 28-29.[18] Russian sources reported that Nova Kakhova occupation authorities do not plan to issue evacuation orders.[19] Ukrainian Melitopol Mayor Ivan Fedorov stated that Russian forces evacuated their military hospital in Melitopol on August 29, indicating further fear of intensified Ukrainian activity even in rear occupied areas.[20]

The Russian Defense Ministry (MoD) claimed on the evening of August 29 that the Ukrainian counteroffensive was a limited, failed effort, setting the tone for subsequent discussions of the counteroffensive in the Russian media space.[21] The Russian MoD claimed that Ukrainian forces suffered heavy personnel and equipment losses after trying and failing to advance in three unspecified directions in Kherson Oblast.[22] Deputy Luhansk People’s Republic (LNR) Interior Minister Vitaly Kiselyov claimed that the idea of a grand Ukrainian counteroffensive was propaganda and that Ukrainian forces only attempted a limited assault with two infantry battalions and one tank battalion, suffering heavy casualties in the attempt.[23] Russian milbloggers largely claimed that reports of a Ukrainian counteroffensive were overblown, fake, or likely to fail, claiming that Ukrainian forces have so far lacked the ability to break through Russian defensive lines in past counterattacks and remain unable to do so in new counterattacks.[24] These dismissive statements indicate that the Kremlin aims to maintain the façade of extensive Russian military successes in Ukraine.

Russian and Western sources claimed that Ukrainian forces liberated five settlements during the first day of the counteroffensive, but Ukrainian sources have not announced the liberation of any settlements at the time of this publication. An unnamed military official of an unspecified country told CNN that Ukrainian forces liberated Pravdyne (approximately 34km northwest of Kherson City), Novodmytrivka, and Tomyna Balka (both about 23km due west of Kherson City).[25] The official also stated that Ukrainian forces liberated Arkhanhelske on the eastern bank of Inhulets River and south of the Kherson-Dnipropetrovsk Oblast border.[26] ISW cannot independently verify CNN’s report and will update its maps if and when more sources confirm the report. The Ukrainian official report about the withdrawal of the 109th regiment that operates in northwestern Kherson Oblast may suggest that Ukrainians have crossed the Inhulets River into Arkhanhelske. Several Russian milbloggers amplified a report from the Telegram-based milblogger Grey Zone (about 276,000 followers) that Ukrainian forces advanced 6km from their bridgehead over the Inhulets River and seized the Sukhyi Stavok settlement (approximately 7km west of Russian GLOCs along the T2207 highway).[27] Ukrainian Former Head of Foreign Intelligence Service Mykola Malomuzh made similar remarks about the liberation of Sukhyi Stavok.[28]

Ukrainian forces also continued to conduct missile strikes on Russian ammunition depots, GLOCs, and strongholds on August 28 and August 29.[29] Beryslav Raion Military Administration Head Volodymyr Litvinov reported that Ukrainian forces struck Russian manpower and equipment concentration point at the Beryslav Machine-Building Plant, resulting in a large fire at the plant.[30] Odesa Oblast Military Administration Spokesperson Serhiy Bratchuk also reported that Ukrainian forces struck a Russian command post near the North Crimean Canal just east of Nova Kakhovka, a Russian river crossing in Lvove (west of Nova Kakhovka along the Dnipro River), and an ammunition depot in Havrylivka (approximately 33km south of the Kherson-Dnipropetrovsk Oblast border).[31] Ukrainian Telegram channels also published footage reportedly showing a strike on the Antonivsky Bridge and a nearby barge.[32] Social media users published footage of reportedly Ukrainian strikes on a Russian ammunition depot in Nova Kakhovka.[33] The Ukrainian Southern Operational Command noted that Ukrainian forces launched eight airstrikes at Russian strongholds and manpower and equipment concentration points along the line of contact on August 28.[34]

Russian forces are continuing efforts to restore their damaged GLOCs over the Dnipro River. Satellite imagery shows that Russian forces are attempting to build a pontoon crossing near the Antonivsky Bridge, which appeared to be halfway finished as of August 27.[35] Geolocated satellite imagery also showed that the Kakhovka Bridge is still out of service with strike holes on the critical junctures of the bridge.[36] Satellite imagery indicated that Russian forces are continuing to move military equipment mostly north toward Kherson City via the pontoon ferry.[37] Satellite imagery showed the movement of 100 Russian military vehicles as of August 25, with few moving south.[38] Such transfer of equipment via ferries is inefficient and vulnerable to further Ukrainian strikes. Russian forces reportedly continue to experience difficulties maintaining other GLOCs to southern Ukraine. Mariupol Mayoral Advisor Petro Andryushchenko stated that Russian logistics efforts relying on Mariupol rail transit will likely falter in the following days due to lack of electricity, damage to station cranes, and flooding that hinders rail operation in Mariupol.[39]
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Re: Russia/Ukraine War Discussion/thoughts Thread

ISW report on Ukranain Counteroffensive: August 29

https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...ment-august-29

Ukrainian military officials announced that Ukrainian forces began a counteroffensive operation in Kherson Oblast on August 29 after severely disrupting Russian ground lines of communication (GLOCs) for weeks. Southern Operational Command Spokesperson Nataliya Gumenyuk stated that Ukrainian forces “began counteroffensive actions in many directions” and have broken through the first line of defense in an unspecified area.[11] The Ukrainian operational group “Kakhovka” stated that Ukrainian forces have cut Russian GLOCs across the Dnipro River in Kherson Oblast and called the situation a “brilliant chance to return [Ukrainian] territories.”[12] The “Kakhovka” group also reported that the Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) 109th Regiment and Russian airborne troops have left their positions in an unspecified area of Kherson Oblast, and Ukrainian wires claimed that these elements withdrew from their positions around Kherson City.[13] The DNR 109th Regiment had previously published an appeal to Russian President Vladimir Putin in late June identifying itself as a forcibly mobilized unit, complaining that it had not been rotated away from the front line for rest, and decrying poor conditions on the frontlines.[14] Ukrainian military officials also released a DNR document dated July 24 that ordered the redeployment of the 109th, 113th, and 125th DNR regiments to Arkhanhelske, Vysokopillya, Zolota Balka, and Davydiv Brid in northwestern Kherson Oblast.[15] “Kakhovka” also shared footage reportedly of a Russian serviceman seeking shelter on the ground amidst heavy artillery shelling while saying that Ukrainian forces have broken the first line of defense on August 29.[16] Ukrainian officials did not discuss the directionality of Ukrainian counteroffensives.

Ukrainian and Russian officials called for civilians to evacuate or seek shelter in western Kherson Oblast on August 28-29. Ukrainian Kherson Oblast officials called on civilians to leave Kherson Oblast to get out of the way of Ukrainian forces and directed those choosing to stay in Kherson Oblast to seek shelter away from Russian military equipment.[17] Occupation authorities of Nova Kakhkovka, where Ukrainian forces have frequently targeted Russian military infrastructure and GLOCS, called on civilians to seek shelter due to extensive Ukrainian strikes on August 28-29.[18] Russian sources reported that Nova Kakhova occupation authorities do not plan to issue evacuation orders.[19] Ukrainian Melitopol Mayor Ivan Fedorov stated that Russian forces evacuated their military hospital in Melitopol on August 29, indicating further fear of intensified Ukrainian activity even in rear occupied areas.[20]

The Russian Defense Ministry (MoD) claimed on the evening of August 29 that the Ukrainian counteroffensive was a limited, failed effort, setting the tone for subsequent discussions of the counteroffensive in the Russian media space.[21] The Russian MoD claimed that Ukrainian forces suffered heavy personnel and equipment losses after trying and failing to advance in three unspecified directions in Kherson Oblast.[22] Deputy Luhansk People’s Republic (LNR) Interior Minister Vitaly Kiselyov claimed that the idea of a grand Ukrainian counteroffensive was propaganda and that Ukrainian forces only attempted a limited assault with two infantry battalions and one tank battalion, suffering heavy casualties in the attempt.[23] Russian milbloggers largely claimed that reports of a Ukrainian counteroffensive were overblown, fake, or likely to fail, claiming that Ukrainian forces have so far lacked the ability to break through Russian defensive lines in past counterattacks and remain unable to do so in new counterattacks.[24] These dismissive statements indicate that the Kremlin aims to maintain the façade of extensive Russian military successes in Ukraine.

Russian and Western sources claimed that Ukrainian forces liberated five settlements during the first day of the counteroffensive, but Ukrainian sources have not announced the liberation of any settlements at the time of this publication. An unnamed military official of an unspecified country told CNN that Ukrainian forces liberated Pravdyne (approximately 34km northwest of Kherson City), Novodmytrivka, and Tomyna Balka (both about 23km due west of Kherson City).[25] The official also stated that Ukrainian forces liberated Arkhanhelske on the eastern bank of Inhulets River and south of the Kherson-Dnipropetrovsk Oblast border.[26] ISW cannot independently verify CNN’s report and will update its maps if and when more sources confirm the report. The Ukrainian official report about the withdrawal of the 109th regiment that operates in northwestern Kherson Oblast may suggest that Ukrainians have crossed the Inhulets River into Arkhanhelske. Several Russian milbloggers amplified a report from the Telegram-based milblogger Grey Zone (about 276,000 followers) that Ukrainian forces advanced 6km from their bridgehead over the Inhulets River and seized the Sukhyi Stavok settlement (approximately 7km west of Russian GLOCs along the T2207 highway).[27] Ukrainian Former Head of Foreign Intelligence Service Mykola Malomuzh made similar remarks about the liberation of Sukhyi Stavok.[28]

Ukrainian forces also continued to conduct missile strikes on Russian ammunition depots, GLOCs, and strongholds on August 28 and August 29.[29] Beryslav Raion Military Administration Head Volodymyr Litvinov reported that Ukrainian forces struck Russian manpower and equipment concentration point at the Beryslav Machine-Building Plant, resulting in a large fire at the plant.[30] Odesa Oblast Military Administration Spokesperson Serhiy Bratchuk also reported that Ukrainian forces struck a Russian command post near the North Crimean Canal just east of Nova Kakhovka, a Russian river crossing in Lvove (west of Nova Kakhovka along the Dnipro River), and an ammunition depot in Havrylivka (approximately 33km south of the Kherson-Dnipropetrovsk Oblast border).[31] Ukrainian Telegram channels also published footage reportedly showing a strike on the Antonivsky Bridge and a nearby barge.[32] Social media users published footage of reportedly Ukrainian strikes on a Russian ammunition depot in Nova Kakhovka.[33] The Ukrainian Southern Operational Command noted that Ukrainian forces launched eight airstrikes at Russian strongholds and manpower and equipment concentration points along the line of contact on August 28.[34]

Russian forces are continuing efforts to restore their damaged GLOCs over the Dnipro River. Satellite imagery shows that Russian forces are attempting to build a pontoon crossing near the Antonivsky Bridge, which appeared to be halfway finished as of August 27.[35] Geolocated satellite imagery also showed that the Kakhovka Bridge is still out of service with strike holes on the critical junctures of the bridge.[36] Satellite imagery indicated that Russian forces are continuing to move military equipment mostly north toward Kherson City via the pontoon ferry.[37] Satellite imagery showed the movement of 100 Russian military vehicles as of August 25, with few moving south.[38] Such transfer of equipment via ferries is inefficient and vulnerable to further Ukrainian strikes. Russian forces reportedly continue to experience difficulties maintaining other GLOCs to southern Ukraine. Mariupol Mayoral Advisor Petro Andryushchenko stated that Russian logistics efforts relying on Mariupol rail transit will likely falter in the following days due to lack of electricity, damage to station cranes, and flooding that hinders rail operation in Mariupol.[39]
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So he's version is closer to the Rus side.
according to your original post UA went deeper 16-20km south from the Pravdyno. Thats quite a lot for one day. so I assume the truth is somewhere in the middle? lol
not sure. Strelkov is a well-known pessimist and defeatist. even in 2014, when Russian troops smashed the Ukrainian ones, he cried and wrote that everything was lost and the defeat of Russia was inevitable. but we can’t trust Russian channels also, they are too optimistic and hide problems.
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