[Gh007]

Yep, reasonable thing to do... like Henry David Therough, and Ted Kasinski, give up on a successful prosperous life and life in isolation... they turned out great.... gotta say tho he cant be to far from society if hes climbing in and out of bins for food... he just lives behind a 7-11 or something lol.

[johnleeknoefler]

Originally Posted by alienware805 ↗

What if he fells ill? then what? Or one of his molars rot, or high fever, then what? Go get a "wild berry" so to speak?

It is cool he is living naturally, but his life expectancy just fell a good 15+ years

The point we are missing is that, it is his life. His decision. At least he isn't crying for an apartment, welfare, and free government handouts. You want to give him something? Then give of your own free will or trade something. I bet he would be easy to deal with.

[Zambini]

The fuck he's not John, he's a non contributing member of society living off everyone else.

And when the bum gets sick, he'll go to the doctor or dentist and get free health care, clogging up the emergency room because he couldn't be bothered to get a job and take care of himself.

[johnleeknoefler]

Originally Posted by Zambini ↗

The fuck he's not John, he's a non contributing member of society living off everyone else.

And when the bum gets sick, he'll go to the doctor or dentist and get free health care, clogging up the emergency room because he couldn't be bothered to get a job and take care of himself.

You mean he should get a job, pay for apartment, pay taxes and contribute? I like it that bums go out in the desert and leave people alone. I can't see how his eating garbage and living in a cave bothers me. If he gets sick and is forced to ask for help then so be it. You want to be pissed off then be pissed off that any of us have to pay money to the IRS. Be pissed off that our whole monetary system is a complete scam based on debt to a private banking system. Be pissed off that our country went broke in 1933 and has not owned one ounce of gold since then. At least he realizes that our money is a fantasy. Even the federal government admits up front that the dollar is worthless.
It's no longer backed by anything at all.
http://www.the-privateer.com/paper.html

[Zambini]

Originally Posted by johnleeknoefler ↗

You mean he should get a job, pay for apartment, pay taxes and contribute? I like it that bums go out in the desert and leave people alone. I can't see how his eating garbage and living in a cave bothers me. If he gets sick and is forced to ask for help then so be it. You want to be pissed off then be pissed off that any of us have to pay money to the IRS. Be pissed off that our whole monetary system is a complete scam based on debt to a private banking system. Be pissed off that our country went broke in 1933 and has not owned one ounce of gold since then. At least he realizes that our money is a fantasy. Even the federal government admits up front that the dollar is worthless.
It's no longer backed by anything at all.
http://www.the-privateer.com/paper.html

Can I have yours then?

Thought not

The whole universal money/value system is based on faith.

It would be different if he was some real back to the earth mountain man, growing food and such, that would be respectable , even admirable but He is just a bum, eating outta garbage cans and begging food.

[johnleeknoefler]

Originally Posted by Zambini ↗

The whole universal money/value system is based on faith.

I try to trade mine for something of value as quickly as possible.
The money value system is not based on faith at all. Real money has real value. The FRB would like to blur the distinction between money and legal tender. I did provide the website explaining this. A gold certificate would neither go up in value or decrease in value since it's real value was based on gold. Same for a silver certificate. It could not be manipulated that way. The value of it's backing could be changed but it was still worth the same amount of gold or silver. With a debt based fiat currency this is no longer true at all. It's value can be drastically changed at will. Your "dollar" is only worth about five cents in real money. Or in gold or silver. Obviously you have not studied this topic.

[Zambini]

Originally Posted by johnleeknoefler ↗

I try to trade mine for something of value as quickly as possible.
The money value system is not based on faith at all. Real money has real value. The FRB would like to blur the distinction between money and legal tender. I did provide the website explaining this. A gold certificate would neither go up in value or decrease in value since it's real value was based on gold. Same for a silver certificate. It could not be manipulated that way. The value of it's backing could be changed but it was still worth the same amount of gold or silver. With a debt based fiat currency this is no longer true at all. It's value can be drastically changed at will. Your "dollar" is only worth about five cents in real money. Or in gold or silver. Obviously you have not studied this topic.

Gold is a faith based currency too john, you assume it has value and place your faith in it.

It is just a bright noble metal that has some industrial uses, other than that it's a contrived decorative value like diamonds.

Let the world go to hell and see how much your gold is worth vs food, guns, alcohol and drugs, you know, things people will REALLY want.

I understand what you are saying, but I'm taking it back further, to believe in gold is to believe in the international monetary system, and gold is the same as paper.

Gold, silver, jewels etc are just metal & rocks and won't get you anything if the shit goes down.

Example: I often had money but no drugs or guns, but i've never had drugs & guns and not been able to get money.

[johnleeknoefler]

Originally Posted by Zambini ↗

Gold is a faith based currency too john, you assume it has value and place your faith in it.

It is just a bright noble metal that has some industrial uses, other than that it's a contrived decorative value like diamonds.

Let the world go to hell and see how much your gold is worth vs food, guns, alcohol and drugs, you know, things people will REALLY want.

I understand what you are saying, but I'm taking it back further, to believe in gold is to believe in the international monetary system, and gold is the same as paper.

Gold, silver, jewels etc are just metal & rocks and won't get you anything if the shit goes down.

Example: I often had money but no drugs or guns, but i've never had drugs & guns and not been able to get money.

Guns goes directly to the second amendment. Having property is useless if you have no means to keep it and trade for fair value. In fact it's worse than useless. It's a liability that can get you killed.
Drugs can be very valuable. Narcotics seem to top the list of useful drugs. Alcohol is also very useful. The better the distillation the better the value. EverClear tops my list. It's useful for drink and making medications from herbs.
You are wrong on Gold and Silver having no intrinsic value. Same goes for other metals used for money. They are great place holders of value. Gold, silver, copper, platinum and coins made from any valuable metal have always been useful trade items. Read up on it. Diamonds don't have that same usefulness because they vary in value and are diffucult to trade for. Gemstones have been used as wealth by many people but they have problems when it comes to trade. Often they are easy to fake and hard to tell if it's genuine or not. This is more true now than ever since so many lab created gemstones are available now. Most lab creations have higher quality than natural stones but the value is lowered because now it's much easier to obtain.
Remember, Aluminum started out being worth $500.00 an ounce. That was back when an ounce of silver was of the same value as a one dollar silver certificate.
So you are not wrong on things other than precious metals having trade value but you are wrong on gold, silver and other metals having no intrinsic value. These metals actually have more value since they can be traded for anything. Try trading a pound of coke for diamonds. It gets a bit tricky. However, Liberians have been successful at trading gold dust and flakes for heroin.

I'm taking it back further, to believe in gold is to believe in the international monetary system, and gold is the same as paper.

This statement is just blatantly false. Not saying you are lying. You are just absolutely wrong here.
Nothing could be further from the facts. Paper money can be reproduced for pennies. And the technology gets better and better. So we have a fiat currency that has NO intrinsic value being further deflated by an exponentially expanding supply more debt based currency. Even if you squirrel your dollars away they can steal it right out of your account by printing many times more per day and devalueing what you have. Furthermore you don't get a raise every time this is done and your money is devalued.
Gold and silver are quite different. To produce any real money means that people must go out and work and create a REAL metal. So the metal ends up representing the labor of people. They are creating something REAL in a way that mass producing fiat debt based notes can never do. In fact Federal Reserve Notes are based on exact diametrically opposed principles. Federal Reserve notes actually DESTROY real wealth rather than create it. Yes you can use it. Yes you can buy precious metals with it and in fact that is your best option. USE it. Buy real property rather than hold it in the system and watch it's value diminish by the day and by the hour.
Imagine if you had $10,000.00 in paper money back in 1963 and
banked it. You would at least have the interest on it and it would be compounding over the years. You would save at least some if not most of it's real value. But if you just held on to it you would today have only $10,000.00. Can you get 10,000.00 troy ounces of silver with that? Hardly. Today the same amount of silver will cost you $310,000.00. Just imagine. Way back when we used silver certificates my grandfather was getting paid a dollar an hour. He thought he was well paid. So he got about 12 to 16 dollars a day. That's silver dollars. In todays money he was making over $300.00 dollars a day. Think about it. How many people you know who work as carpenters make that much a day? Or more? I can make that much a day. Most welders can. And some make even more depending on who you work for and where you work. Do I make more than my Grandfather? Nope.
No one really changed the value of silver outside of a few bumps in the market that quickly evened out and silver most always returns to is own intrinsic value which is based on the labor and cost of it's extraction which will always increase in response to market demand. Much the same for any precious metal. Gold, copper, Aluminum, and platinum. An ounce of gold could buy you a very nice tailered suit a hundred years ago. It will still buy you a nice suit today. Or a snootful of coke if you prefer.

[Zambini]

I don't think you get the point, I bet you buy your gold with paper dollars.

[johnleeknoefler]

Originally Posted by Zambini ↗

I don't think you get the point, I bet you buy your gold with paper dollars.

Actually you are the one who fails to understand. The value of the Federal Reserve note will continue to decline into utter worthlessness. Can you still trade $32.00 of federal reserve notes for an ounce of gold? And yet that was the exchange rate when the gold was first confiscated. If you hold onto a dollar will it buy the same thing in ten years that it can buy today? Or that it bought 80 years ago? Of course not. But precious metals will. Sure you can buy goods with fiat currency. You can do the same in Zimbabwe. But today you would need an astronomical amount of fiat currency there to buy gold. Germany was the same way. In fact it got to the point that before the fall of the Berlin wall refugees fleeing East Germany would toss their worthless currency out the train windows. The game was seen to be over when transportation workers began hauling the piles of currency away in wheelbarrows and large waste cans. The Berlin wall fell soon after. Yes, They threw their "money" to the street. And you could still buy gold with it. You don't get the point. I already understand it from one end to the other.
Most East Berliners finally got the point, unlike you. Study history.