[Fr33dom]

Originally Posted by mw81 ↗

I understand your frustration, but that's a gross oversimplification and mostly based on a false (and ignorant) stereotype. America has on the whole been a force for good in the world; we've made mistakes (like this horrible video) but it's usually because we're just more engaged in the world--there's something of a "curse" for being a powerful country just as much as there are any benefits. Your comments say more about you than anything about the US.

Stop Talking bullshit, since WW2 USA never made any effort to help other countries, also plundered them and attacked them for geopolitical reasons.
That country killed far more Million people than any other countries together !

[kaizen_usa]

Originally Posted by Billthegravedigger ↗

Ok.................just out of curiosity, what would you have done ? Don't get me wrong, it is sad that this shit happens, but it is a war after all. Not saying that makes things right, or ok either.

Just asking, if you were there, had people trying to kill you left and right EVERYDAY, and you thought there was a group of enimies that would rather kill you than look at you, and they would kill you if they got half a chance, if you got the drop on them, would you shoot once or twice ?

Or would you do all that you could to make sure they would not be able to return fire ? It is sad that this shit happens, but it does. I will no dount catch hell from a few people over this, but oh well.

As I said before, it is sad, but it does happen. When insurgents start wear military uniforms and stop hiding behind innocent men, women and CHILDREN, then this will not happen nearly as often. Someone in a military uniform is easier to ID than insurgents that blend in with the general population, and dress that way for that very reason.

If it was me, I would throw everything I had at them. And again, this is sad, but it is a war.

Got your point, however, what would you do if you felt your nation were invaded by others? would you sit home? or grab a gun and defend your nation?
This video is so fucked up clearly none of the individuals had gun , yet they shoot the goddamn van who tried to help the wounded .
i object my friend !!

[Zambini]

Originally Posted by Fr33dom ↗

Yea a hundred thousand times ? And using Weapons of Mass Destruction is also Colleteral Damage ? (Napalm, White Phosphorus, Depleted Uranium)
And by the way, the war had and still has no reason, wether in afghanistan noir in iraq, just geopolitical reasons.

Your poor spelling and grammar skills highlight the stupidity of your post.

You should be proud that you can combine a lack of I.Q. and basic skills in one post.

[Zambini]

This is why we go:

What the fuck has your country done except run it's dick sucker?

[Billthegravedigger]

Originally Posted by kaizen_usa ↗

Got your point, however, what would you do if you felt your nation were invaded by others? would you sit home? or grab a gun and defend your nation?
This video is so fucked up clearly none of the individuals had gun , yet they shoot the goddamn van who tried to help the wounded .
i object my friend !!

I got your point too, and it is a good one as well. I can truely appreciate what you are saying, and I like I have said before, I do not agree with everything that the U.S. has done.

I think the thing that comes into play the most in this type of situation is mistaken identity. Some insurgents have made IEDs look like a video camera more than once, one of the most documented cases was when the Taliban soldiers went to interview the leader of the Northern Alliance on September 9, 2001.

They did a very convincing job, because if they had not, they would not have gotten anywhere close to him. During the interview, they detonated the "camera" and killed him and the one that set it off. I think one survived for a while, but not sure. I seriously doubt he is still in the land of the living now though.

Our guys SHOULD take better procautions, that is a fact. At the same time, the enemy uses IEDs, hides behind innocent people, and threatens death to anyone that talks. Using every combination of unconventional weapon they can come up with has brought them some undesired side effects. What is seen as a camera to some might be seen as an IED to others. And let's face it, people trying to kill you everyday will make you paranoid.

When you become paranoid, it troubles you, and you will not always make the best choices. When you stay paranoid, your choices get a little worse everyday. When you get to a certain point, you will take the mentality that it is them or me. When that happens, a lot of times you will shoot first and ask questions later.

PLEASE understand something, I am not saying that it makes it right, I am just saying people should look at the entire picture with situations like this. Did the people responsible for shooting these people witness some friends be blown apart by insergents or the Taliban a couple of hours before ? What brought them to the mindstate that they were in ? I think we can all agree most people don't just snap all at once for some reason that is of little importance to them, or anyone else.

This mindset came about over a period of time, for various reasons. Yes, the U.S. has made some bad descisions, that is a FACT.
At the same time, people who dog Americans and say we are all dogs should try to find out if we all fall into that category, because we don't. I do not agree with the invasion of Iraq, they had NOTHING to do with 9/11. PERIOD.

Until the enemy decides to "man up" and fight outright, instead of hiding behind innocent people, this will happen from time to time.

[iReallyShouldnt]

i hope usa gets nuked.

[Billthegravedigger]

The war had and still has no reason, wether in afghanistan noir in iraq, just geopolitical reasons.

I hope you are joking man. Iraq ? I agree 100 %, no cause or basis.

AFGHANISTAN ?? I think that is a different story there. They knew what was up, they knew we were coming for Osama beenfuckeduphisass Laden. They KNEW without any doubt what was going to happen.

The people took the choice to protect him because of traditions going back generations. That was their choice. Now they are feeling the effects of that choice. Yes, some bad things have happened, that is true...........some things that should have NEVER happened, but they did.

I guess one way to explain it is this.........bear with me folks, I am not a lawyer, or a cop, and laws vary from place to place.

If I go with a friend to rob a liquor store, and in the process of that crime the worker or owner, or even one of the people committing the crime is killed, whoever is involved with that crime can be, and usually are charged with murder. Even if you had no intention of killing anyone, and was just the get away driver, you can still be charged with murder for taking a part in that crime.

Should it be any different for the people that hid Osama ? They knew what he did, they knew what was coming, yet they made their choice anyway. Had they handled things differently, NONE of the shit would have happened. I guess I am saying, even though bad shit has happened over there that should not have EVER happened, had they made a different choice, not even that bad shit would have happened either.

[Billthegravedigger]

Originally Posted by iReallyShouldnt ↗

i hope usa gets nuked.

I hope you are visiting when it happens.

[Curb Stomper]

America can do whatever they like, as long as they've got our backs, we've got theirs.

It's a dog eat dog world.

[Billthegravedigger]

Originally Posted by Fr33dom ↗

Stop Talking bullshit, since WW2 USA never made any effort to help other countries, also plundered them and attacked them for geopolitical reasons.
That country killed far more Million people than any other countries together !

Out of curiosity, where are you from ? The name Fr33dom has a meaning to it, does it not ? Just trying to figure out the meaning of it. Are you from a country that the U.S. has helped, or one they have overlooked ? Only geopolitical reasons huh ? Ok.

I guess we helped Saudi Arabia for geopolitical reason alone huh ? Answer me this please, we have helped Israel for some time now, huh ? For what ? OIL ? What all have we helped them for ? Geopolitical reasons alone ? Does it occur to you that because we have helped Israel so long, that our policy with other countries, has led to 19 crazy motherfuckers using planes as weapons of mass destruction to kill as many of us as possible ?

On top of that, our goverment could have prevented it, but chose to help Israel anyway ? All for oil, gold, frankensense and mir and Geopolitical reasons alone huh ? Ok, hurry up and pass that joint you are smoking, I think you have had enough already.