[Goregyrl]

I would swear that this was a dead body and the attendants were fucking around with him.

[ColinZeal]

Thanks Nick!

[kakasaku]

DAYUM!

[DoubleZ1013]

So will Nick be charged with homicide if John dies?

[kik]

They call them 'accidents' for a reason, until today I had never even heard of this guy, I don't like fake ass wrestling so following these wankers is not something I would remotely consider.

However I have read the story (today) on Wiki and done some other light reading on the subject, fact is it was an accident, a few questions need to be addressed to be fair to all so I will ask them then I will put my answers with them, I don't expect all to have the same answers as me, but we all need to take at the very least one thing into consideration and that is the guys age, he was 17 at the time of the accident, think about that and what you were doing at age 17.

1.Should he have been driving under the influence?. NO!.
2.Should he have been driving a high powered car?. NO!.
3.Should he have been driving a high powered car whether DUI or not?. NO!.
4.What kind of driving experience would a 17 year old have?. Fuck all.
5.How much common sense does the average 17 year old have?. Not much.
6.His passenger was a war vet and MUCH older, should he have known better then to get into a car with a child who is drunk and full of bravado?. YES
7.Should the passenger have talked the driver out of driving period?. YES!.
8.Who's to blame?. They are both responsible for their own lives and that of each others welfare.

So when you break it down, what do you have?, you have a child in control of a very high powered car, who is also under the influence of alcohol, you have a war vet who should have known better then to get into the car to begin with, a war vet who was stupid enough to NOT wear a seat belt.

There are many variables to take into account, not least the driver did not compete on the night, he simply gave demonstrations between events, so given this his desires to win an event or at the very least to drive a decent amount of time were not fulfilled, remember he is 17 and not being able to give in to his demons calling him to show off is a weakness all kids have...even some adults. He was under the influence which causes 'dutch courage' (a false sense of invulnerability) 'inflated ego' causing people to think they are better then they actually are, and finally and worst of all 'reckless abandonment' which causes people to take amplified risks without taking into consideration those around them because they are all to consumed with themselves.

Remember it was raining on the night?, so why would anyone race in wet conditions in any other place other then a race track?.

I don't know the kid, and neither does anyone else here, so casting aspersions is futile, you can't base a persons being on what you have heard on a tape, nor can you judge a person for their actions until they are old enough to be held accountable for them.

Being 17 and drunk makes him roughly 10 years old, I don't condone his actions, rather I do condemn them and he should have been punished in a way that would actually impact him, prison wont do anything, especially given the fact he was in segregation. I wont sit here and state what punishment should have been handed down because that would make me judgmental, knee jerk reactions are all I have read here apart from the odd comment that reflects what I have said without going into the nitty gritty like I have.

Accidents and people happen, get used to it, it's life and without them this site would not exist.

Cases like this cannot be judged by the unqualified, and no one here is qualified to judge.

[Julia142]

Originally Posted by mikecanscrewme ↗

They were both drinking in that car. Sometimes the only thing that will make you stop driving is a tree........or a guardrail.......another car..........pedestrians. Its a fact of life. I dont think he should have done the time he did. If he had been pulled over before the accident he would have recieved a dui and probation. I remember a case in Kentucky where a man was driving under the influence. He fell asleep, crossed the median and hit a school bus. Twelve children were killed in that accident. Of course they threw the book at this guy. He will probably never be free again. This guy had no criminal record before the incident and now he is branded a murderer for life. If he had crossed that median just a split second later he would have missed that bus and recieved a dui. IF YOU KNOW ANYONE WHO HAS DRIVEN UNDER THE INFLUENCE THEY ARE JUST AS GUILTY AS THIS MAN. I fuckin hate it when people dont even try to put themselves in another mans place. Drunk driving is wrong even if noone is hurt or killed.

more died than that http://www.people.com/people/archive...116497,00.html

[kik]

Originally Posted by Julia142 ↗

more died than that http://www.people.com/people/archive...116497,00.html

I really don't think the amount of people that died is the point mikecanscrewme was trying to make, the point was had the driver been pulled over he would have gotten probation, instead he was not pulled over and killed a lot of people and got many years jail, so in essence the point is ban drink driving period and make the crime of DUI much more succinct.

Although I do agree with mikecanscrewme to an extent, the problem arises that drink driving although a severe and very dangerous thing to do is in itself a nominal crime until something serious arises from it.

You can't have a parallel law, ie a law that is the same criminal penalty as a more severe crime, such as DUI and vehicular homicide, they are two very different crimes, I think given stringent tests such as the sobriety test, people that fail that in the most dismal of fashions should be dealt a far higher penalty then those that pass with flying colors, the reason for that is a very real and justifiable reason, every person has a differing affect from alcohol, therefore the sobriety test is a very real test of ones ability to drive, failing the test on varying levels should justify a predetermined penalty.......Just my thoughts.

[wikidclownstalker]

His brother died in a car crash as well in 2012. I feel terrible for his family. :(

[kilyurselph]

At least they had some Rockin music for the videos audio track. I would have preferred "Bang Your Head" by Quiet Riot, But hey thats just me.

[rob666]

Originally Posted by kik ↗

They call them 'accidents' for a reason, until today I had never even heard of this guy, I don't like fake ass wrestling so following these wankers is not something I would remotely consider.

However I have read the story (today) on Wiki and done some other light reading on the subject, fact is it was an accident, a few questions need to be addressed to be fair to all so I will ask them then I will put my answers with them, I don't expect all to have the same answers as me, but we all need to take at the very least one thing into consideration and that is the guys age, he was 17 at the time of the accident, think about that and what you were doing at age 17.

1.Should he have been driving under the influence?. NO!.
2.Should he have been driving a high powered car?. NO!.
3.Should he have been driving a high powered car whether DUI or not?. NO!.
4.What kind of driving experience would a 17 year old have?. Fuck all.
5.How much common sense does the average 17 year old have?. Not much.
6.His passenger was a war vet and MUCH older, should he have known better then to get into a car with a child who is drunk and full of bravado?. YES
7.Should the passenger have talked the driver out of driving period?. YES!.
8.Who's to blame?. They are both responsible for their own lives and that of each others welfare.

So when you break it down, what do you have?, you have a child in control of a very high powered car, who is also under the influence of alcohol, you have a war vet who should have known better then to get into the car to begin with, a war vet who was stupid enough to NOT wear a seat belt.

There are many variables to take into account, not least the driver did not compete on the night, he simply gave demonstrations between events, so given this his desires to win an event or at the very least to drive a decent amount of time were not fulfilled, remember he is 17 and not being able to give in to his demons calling him to show off is a weakness all kids have...even some adults. He was under the influence which causes 'dutch courage' (a false sense of invulnerability) 'inflated ego' causing people to think they are better then they actually are, and finally and worst of all 'reckless abandonment' which causes people to take amplified risks without taking into consideration those around them because they are all to consumed with themselves.

Remember it was raining on the night?, so why would anyone race in wet conditions in any other place other then a race track?.

I don't know the kid, and neither does anyone else here, so casting aspersions is futile, you can't base a persons being on what you have heard on a tape, nor can you judge a person for their actions until they are old enough to be held accountable for them.

Being 17 and drunk makes him roughly 10 years old, I don't condone his actions, rather I do condemn them and he should have been punished in a way that would actually impact him, prison wont do anything, especially given the fact he was in segregation. I wont sit here and state what punishment should have been handed down because that would make me judgmental, knee jerk reactions are all I have read here apart from the odd comment that reflects what I have said without going into the nitty gritty like I have.

Accidents and people happen, get used to it, it's life and without them this site would not exist.

Cases like this cannot be judged by the unqualified, and no one here is qualified to judge.

I'll judge, Nik Hogan is an arrogant little fuck that whined in jail about his own plight and didn't give a shit about his friend who he basically killed.

If you choose to get drunk and drive like an idiot, in our society YOU as the person behind the wheel is 100% responsible for whatever happens to you or your passengers. Did his friend exercise bad judgment by getting in the car? yes.
Does that excuse Nik Hogan at all for being an idiot that night? Not even close.

If Hogan had at least been genuinely remorseful for what he'd done I might see it differently, but all he cared about was his own ass. And 8 months was pretty lax compared to what a lot of guys serve.