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05-28-2011, 07:22 AM
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 goinggoingGONE Poster Rank:33 I am a man yes I am and tell ya so Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 46,449 Mentioned: 65 Post(s) Quoted: 6610 Post(s)
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HAARP:After researching ...Fact or Fiction
Myth or Reality? Nikola Tesla invented HAARP super technology now being exploited by the military industrial complex.---- Tesla was a very eccentric, now long dead, radio-electronic genius, but he was as much hot air as solid fact and what any of it has to do with HAARP is not always clear except as a useful ploy to garner viewership or palm off static electricity generators to gullible customers as "revolutionary new power sources". HAARP is punching holes in the ionosphere creating permanent damage to a protective layer of the earth.------ That's dubious because short-wave (HF) radio broadcasters have been bouncing megawatts of power off the ionosphere for decades without ill effect. The very nature of HF frequencies means that they dissipate rapidly even at high powers which reduces the area with which the beam can be focused onto any given region of the atmosphere. Punching holes doesn't even make sense because of the very nature of the ionosphere; how can you punch a hole in a fluid (plasma)? HAARP is the latest "star-wars" antimissile system.------ If this thing could really stop missiles by damaging their electronics don't you think the government would be pumping their billions of dollars into HAARP instead of into missiles and lasers that have yet to even come close to successful? HAARP is a death ray that can strike any point on the globe.------ The only radio waves that bounce of the ionosphere are HF and that simply can't kill anyone, after all, you're being beamed with HF radio broadcasts right now by worldwide transmitters - my god were all going to die! The higher frequencies that could potentially be harmful pass through the ionosphere, that's how we get satellite TV signals! Likely the only way to reflect these microwaves would be to turn a small region of the ionosphere into a radio-opaque plasma using perhaps HF to such an extent that it becomes reflective to microwaves. But then simultaneously you'd need a powerful microwave signal and transmitter, neither of which HAARP has, except a tiny S-band radar to shut off the system when aircraft stray too close. Furthermore, even if this far-fetched death ray could be made it would never be able to reach more than half the planet from any single site. Earth-penetrating tomography presumably using ELF radio waves. Meaning HAARP is able to detect underground objects, and some claim even to destroy them, once again magically with short-wave radio! Tomography is possible but you'd have to be able to pick up the reflections some how which would require a secondary, perhaps satellite receiver. It seems like an airborne platform, like a modified J-STARS or EC-135 or something, would make more sense. Old fashioned magnetometers in aircraft can do the same thing already. HAARP can manipulate the weather.----- The energy levels associated with the weather engine of Earth are truly staggering and no radio transmitter could ever hope to possibly compete with it. The only reasonable way HAARP or its relatives could influence weather would be by pinpoint heating of bodies of water or air, clouds or perhaps the jet stream. The problem here, and one the conspiracists ignore, is that it takes microwave energies to do that and HAARP is only using HF and below, far too weak to deliver anything close to the needed energy. HAARP does not even have the antenna system let alone the power generating equipment for creating very powerful directed microwave radiation, the kind needed to excite water vapor. That's why we use a microwave oven and not a short-wave (HF) oven to heat food; only the microwave energy is useful for stimulating oscillation of the water molecules. HAARP is for HF jamming or OTH radar.---- Now this is a little more believable because that's within the frequency range of HAARP's dipole antennas. Perhaps it could be used as a long range missile tracking system if built up. But there are so many better ways to do so that this seems unlikely. The Russians have long annoyed shortwave radio listeners with their over the horizon HF radar used to detect cruise missiles and aircraft that can't be seen with traditional microwave radars that are line of sight limited. HF can bounce off the ionosphere to peer beyond the horizon but this is old technology, mostly outdated anyway. HAARP is for mind control.------ This seem the most ridiculous claim of all but it's really a confusion of disparate phenomena. Circumstantial evidence implicates ELF and ULF waves preceding certain natural phenomena which sometimes causes unusual behavioral responses in animals and very rarely in humans too. The most well known examples are strange animal behaviors just before earthquakes, but other stories also have some basis in fact. The science behind this has to do with the changes in magnetic fields and pressure on the rocks generating low frequency radio waves, and those waves and perhaps other radiation is interacting with biological processes. Unfortunately, it's very difficult to utilize this as an accurate earthquake predictor because the responses are so sporadic. No mind control is involved it's just a subtle response to secondary effects of some natural phenomenon, and animals are much more sensitive to small, unusual changes in their environment than your average senses-deadened TV viewing human. Furthermore, brain waves function over the range from 1 to 35 Hz, but radiation in this wavelength is omnipresent anyway and the only threat would be if the power was very strong and the source close. The mind control issue is pure radio talk show sensationalism. Even the CIA's MK-ULTRA direct pharmacological drugging experiments failed to generate any consistent responses in the victim population because perception colors outcome. To be succinct, serious claims have to be substantiated with some serious information. Unfortunately the supporting evidence for the nefarious capabilities attributed to HAARP by sensationalists and conspiracists alike is at base unsubstantiated and more often simply ludicrous. The real stuff is more interesting anyway. There is a abundant amount of disclosure on this project which for being a "top secret" weapon or advanced laser gun is pretty far fetched. If you actually look into it the managerial staff gives tours and even help q&A with a HAM radio study group set and disclose exact frequencies and designated job or details for such. Once again I must think for the Troofers out their physics and science is not out to get you. It is based entirely on documentation and recreating findings through such documents. If you actually dig a little you will find tons of testing and capability specs and what they are doing with this technology. I'm almost done my studies on Chemtrails so that should be next.  · |
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05-28-2011, 07:32 AM
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| goinggoingGONE Poster Rank:33 I am a man yes I am and tell ya so Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 46,449 Mentioned: 65 Post(s) Quoted: 6610 Post(s)
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Re: HAARP:After researching ...Fact or Fiction
So sorry to shit all over your theories for HAARP guys but this was by far one of the easier subjects to study into. Simply because of the public disclosure involved with this. I honestly think if you believe that HAARP is some kind of master manipulator or weapon you really need to stop watching Jesse Ventura and pick up some fucking science text. Really guys ... It's fucking pathetic these theories pertaining to this and honestly the worst and most ignorant set of conspiracies I have now come across. I would sooner believe that reptilians rule CNN before I believe radio waves destroyed Japan. Just my thoughts anyway.
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05-28-2011, 11:59 AM
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 My Rank: CORPORAL Poster Rank:1621 Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 340 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)
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Re: HAARP:After researching ...Fact or Fiction
dude there will be no conspiracy left for you, so what u gona do next? :D annyway thats your opinion :D and what abaut zeitgeist addendum and zeitgeist movind forward? im 99% sure that you say "ITS BULLSHIT GOING TO DRINK MY BEER!
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05-28-2011, 04:46 PM
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| goinggoingGONE Poster Rank:33 I am a man yes I am and tell ya so Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 46,449 Mentioned: 65 Post(s) Quoted: 6610 Post(s)
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Re: HAARP:After researching ...Fact or Fiction
Brother I know conspiracy exists and honestly I would rather not really find one. I love however to cross reference theories and opinions when it comes to the basis of science. Science is the most fun intellectual field out there. As there is laws that are almost written in stone.... the best part of that being almost. Which allows debate and experimentation which I also love dearly. I would just rather see people focus their energy on issues that matter and not thought up by Alex Jones on the shitter.
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05-28-2011, 04:50 PM
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| goinggoingGONE Poster Rank:33 I am a man yes I am and tell ya so Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 46,449 Mentioned: 65 Post(s) Quoted: 6610 Post(s)
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Re: HAARP:After researching ...Fact or Fiction
Actually bro it's not opinion it's actual fact. The capabilities and output of these stations is public fact. The reason people have a hay day with them is the DoD has never given the purpose of the experiments. If you doubt my statements I can refer you to a couple sound engineers that can verify my findings. Also if you doubt then go to Wolfram Alpha a science and calculation website. Everything I say is true man.... HF waves are hitting you right now.
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05-28-2011, 04:59 PM
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| goinggoingGONE Poster Rank:33 I am a man yes I am and tell ya so Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 46,449 Mentioned: 65 Post(s) Quoted: 6610 Post(s)
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Re: HAARP:After researching ...Fact or Fiction
Even more simply stated it's just a matter of education. I used to believe in Santa Claus. That didn't make him real or fake. The fact is I became more knowledgeable about the entire issue and know Santa Claus is bulkshit. Not a opinion ...FACT.
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05-29-2011, 06:07 AM
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 My Rank: GUNNERY SERGEANT Poster Rank:588 Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,593 Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Quoted: 441 Post(s)
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Re: HAARP:After researching ...Fact or Fiction
I agree with you RedneckRon0n in all ways, just leave the disclosure project alone if you touch anything lol... i knew he'd comment on this thread lol. Yep - alex jones has potential but he's just too 'on fire' to sit and think properly - he attacks everything - christ
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05-29-2011, 02:25 PM
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| goinggoingGONE Poster Rank:33 I am a man yes I am and tell ya so Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 46,449 Mentioned: 65 Post(s) Quoted: 6610 Post(s)
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Re: HAARP:After researching ...Fact or Fiction
Thanks as this conspiracy is rather poorly structured and not even viable for the most part. Says a lot about the educational state of most doesn't it.
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