[icheerthebull]

double post so have to do it

[icheerthebull]

Originally Posted by mr black ↗

Masking agents makes the most sense. Cocaine metabolites is not the most newsworthy detail of Jones’ drug test results, even though the UFC is making it look like it is.

This is all speculation of course. We're not doctors and technically, Jones violated no rules since it was an out-of-competition test and recreational drugs aren’t prohibited out-of-competition.

The issue here is not recreational drugs really (coke, out of season dables) the issue is how a pro fighter, who some call the 'GOAT', how a top fighter, has testosterone levels that sit somehwere in between a 50 year old women and a castrated man.

His test level did not break rules but 3 tests showed levels so low that you would prob advocate medical help

[Mr Poo]

Originally Posted by icheerthebull ↗

The issue here is not recreational drugs really (coke, out of season dables) the issue is how a pro fighter, who some call the 'GOAT', how a top fighter, has testosterone levels that sit somehwere in between a 50 year old women and a castrated man.

His test level did not break rules but 3 tests showed levels so low that you would prob advocate medical help

Cocaine stimulates significant increases in estradiol, testosterone (T), and luteinizing hormone (LH). If you were using cocaine on a regular basis then were required to stop before a fight because of a drug test, you would likely have lower levels of testosterone. The same concept as roid cycles, if you are on an extended cycle when you get off your natural T levels will be significantly lowered.

To me it looks like it's proof he might have a heavy cocaine addiction.

[rob666]

Originally Posted by Mr Poo ↗

Cocaine stimulates significant increases in estradiol, testosterone (T), and luteinizing hormone (LH). If you were using cocaine on a regular basis then were required to stop before a fight because of a drug test, you would likely have lower levels of testosterone. The same concept as roid cycles, if you are on an extended cycle when you get off your natural T levels will be significantly lowered.

To me it looks like it's proof he might have a heavy cocaine addiction.

Could be, but......... From the UFCs point of view a coke habit might not effect his marketability as much as testing positive for steroids?

Hmmm......

[K9Grip]

Originally Posted by icheerthebull ↗

The issue here is not recreational drugs really (coke, out of season dables) the issue is how a pro fighter, who some call the 'GOAT', how a top fighter, has testosterone levels that sit somehwere in between a 50 year old women and a castrated man.

His test level did not break rules but 3 tests showed levels so low that you would prob advocate medical help

[rob666]

I know that hard training will also lower test levels, but no idea how much..... I gots some reading to do

[Illusion]

2 words that will haunt Jones haters for years.






























AND STILL!!!!!!!!....

[Illusion]

Lets put all this "Jon Jones is using synthetic testosterone" to bed, shall we.

NSAC Director Bennett: CIR Testing Done on Jones Sample, Came Back Clean

LAS VEGAS — In the wake of Jon Jones' failed test for cocaine metabolites, social media lit up with discussion over Jones' curious testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratios.

Victor Conte, the man who was famously involved with the BALCO doping scandal, took to social media to note that Jones' T/E ratio was out of line with the norm.

But during a Thursday interview with Bleacher Report, Nevada State Athletic Commission executive director Bob Bennett said that carbon isotope testing was indeed done on Jones' pre-fight drug tests, and that the results came back clean.

"CIT testing was done, and according to our doctor, none of the results were a concern," Bennett said when asked if carbon testing was done on the samples.

The CIR tests were conducted recently and results were returned to the commission on Thursday.

Bennett said that three tests were done during each of the random tests: urine, blood testing for human growth hormone and a blood passport test.

"The only negative was testing positive for cocaine metabolites," Bennett said. "We've gotten a litany of emails about the testosterone. We have a doctor we work with whose work has been impeccable for the last seven months. He does not have a concern on the last two tests."

Bleacher Report injury expert Will Carroll says that CIR testing would have revealed if Jones were taking exogenous (synthetic) testosterone.

"CIR (carbon isotope ratio) testiing is a very technical technique that is very sensitive. Given the proper isotopic signatures, the test can very accurately detect the presence of a certain substance. In this case, that substance would be exogenous (non-natural) testosterone," Carroll said. "Given proper testing protocols, the test itself is unassailable. It wouldn't tell us anything else, but would be definitive for whether Jones was given testosterone in the time immediately preceding his fight.

"What CIR wouldn't tell you is whether any other substance was present. In most cases, CIR is done after a T/E ratio test. The T/E ratio is simple and cheap and when it gives a bad result, the normal protocol is to do the more accurate CIR testing. I have to assume that other substances would be tested for as part of the normal assay."

Bennett said the commission is awaiting results of the post-fight drug test administered to Jones after his win over Daniel Cormier at last Saturday's UFC 182 event, and that carbon isotope ratio testing will be done on those samples as well. Bennett expects those results to be returned in the next few days.

He also noted that the commission will be discussing Jones' issues during a Monday meeting in Las Vegas and that punishment for Jones is an option on the table despite Jones' failed cocaine metabolites test happening out of competition.

Bleacher Report has filed Freedom of Information Act requests for all of Jones' pre-fight drug test results—including results of the carbon isotope testing—and we'll update this story with more information once we receive them.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...ame-back-clean

[bob351]

Originally Posted by mr black ↗

How many crack/coke heads do you see jacked, bob? Those drugs are not considered PED's because they actually lower T levels and they leave you looking like a scrawny wimp. Thank you for chiming in with your "bro science", bob

Most of the guys in the gym on gear I know use coke instead of drinking on the weekend because alcohol kills test levels. I also know guys who use blow when they are off cycle and want the same mental buzz they get from roids.

Anyways, go read some actual articles and published studies, in rhesus monkeys an increase, in rats an increase I could go on and on, the only study on humans I found was done in 1996 with a tiny amount of coke gave no effect on test but increase various others like growth hormone and other hormones, decreasing others like progesterone. It not roids by a long fucking shot nor should it be used ever that way but it definitely doesn't lower test.

The problem with cocaine is the lack of appetite and its cardiotoxicity along with the plethora of unhealthy cuts.

Weightlifting was not the only sport cocaine was a performance enhancing drug in... give this article a read.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...eague-baseball



Its not bro science, Im not saying its a performance enhancing drug now, rather that it can be used to enhance training intensity, length, strength, reflexes, alertness etc etc with increased intensity comes more release of hormones like hgh and test. It was used extensively back in the day in professional and amateur sports.

[bob351]

What do you know about anything that isn't on sportscenter though.