Tucson SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times

[mrh2008]

Originally Posted by Creepy

first they call it a pot raid. conveniently, now it's a ramped up level of sinister- home invasion suspect and drug dealer robber. after they fired 71 rounds at a guy who's rifle was in safety. IN FRONT OF HIS wife and 4 year old son. the swat team somehow couldn't take a knee cap out or something.



be careful what you ask for people. maybe it would be your brother or neighbor or son next time.

blown out knee does not = disabled triger finger. I can't believe your logic.

Originally Posted by mrh2008

blown out knee does not = disabled triger finger. I can't believe your logic.

well that makes two of us not believing logic here. because your little theory holds up until you conveniently fucking disregard a small fact not once biased by different media outlets in this whole reporting.... :D if he was so fucking ghetto home invader and armed forces why did he have his gun on safety :D Lights sirens fair warning blaring-- why did he not disengage his safety :D ??????? i mean a big dangerous home invader with a 4 year old present. Safety ON?

aren't these highly skilled swat, police, and other personnel trained to make a scene safe you know diffuse a situation? are you seriously fucking trying to debate that a four year old a wife and a one lone man were a threat?

don't be a cunt yer whole life. an elbow, his HAND a shoulder a kneecap. you like to pick a sentence and fixate instead of interpreting it a little. (you did it with pepper spray (WHICH I NEVEr even suggested haha and now your doing it about disarming him) just two of those 71 rounds could have disarmed that man. weapon man, tell me they couldn't have. I dare ya.

[mrh2008]

Originally Posted by Creepy

well that makes two of us not believing logic here. because your little theory holds up until you conveniently fucking disregard his gun was on safety :D if he was so fucking ghetto home invader and armed forces why did he have his gun on safety :D

aren't these highly skilled swat, police, and other personnel trained to make a scene safe you know diffuse a situation? are you seriously fucking trying to debate that a four year old a wife and a one lone man was a threat?

don't be a cunt yer whole life. an elbow, his HAND a shoulder a kneecap. you like to pick a sentence and fixate instead of interpreting it a little. (you did it with pepper spray (WHICH I NEVEr even suggested haha and now your doing it about disarming him) just two of those 71 rounds could have disarmed that man. weapon man, tell me they couldn't have. I dare ya.

Okay lil lady. No way to know he'd forgotten to take the safety off until after the fact. Safety is their top priority, yes, one lone gunman is a threat, especially when his got his ar-15 trained on you. They did diffuse the situation, they took out the threat. period. they did what they should have done. period. I must admit, you sound more and more like a moron every time i see what you have to say. Yes, 1 or 2 shots could have stopped him, on the other hand, if he's still alive and in possession of his weapon, he's still a great threat to everyone around him.

A Man was shot 20+ times, still alive and shooting back at officer. 1 or 2 rounds could have stopped him, or they could have just pissed him off more.

Originally Posted by mrh2008

Okay lil lady. No way to know he'd forgotten to take the safety off until after the fact. Safety is their top priority, yes, one lone gunman is a threat, especially when his got his ar-15 trained on you. They did diffuse the situation, they took out the threat. period. they did what they should have done. period. I must admit, you sound more and more like a moron every time i see what you have to say. Yes, 1 or 2 shots could have stopped him, on the other hand, if he's still alive and in possession of his weapon, he's still a great threat to everyone around him.

A Man was shot 20+ times, still alive and shooting back at officer. 1 or 2 rounds could have stopped him, or they could have just pissed him off more.

its really important to me that i sound intelligent to an internet guy who won't admit 2 well placed rounds could have disarmed a single man, with a single weapon (safety engaged-did you really say he didn't know it was engaged :D or did I read that wrong)--- against a small army of marksmen.

has said she did not see or hear lights and sirens and that Guerena thought they were being targeted for a home invasion, which is why her husband grabbed his AR-15 rifle and told her and their son to hide in a closet.

The raid took place about 9:30 a.m., and Guerena, 26, was asleep after working the graveyard shift at Asarco Mission Mine, Guerena's wife said.

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vicious graveyard shift mine worker.

[mrh2008]

Originally Posted by Creepy

its really important to me that i sound intelligent to an internet guy who won't admit 2 well placed rounds could have disarmed a single man, with a single weapon (safety engaged-did you really say he didn't know it was engaged :D or did I read that wrong)--- against a small army of marksmen.

You read it wrong. I said "No way to know he'd forgotten to take the safety off until after the fact." As in, the police have no way to know if a little lever on the side of a riffle is flipped up or down. I did admit that 1 or 2 rounds could have stopped the threat, but I also included a documented case in which a man shooting at police was hit 21 time, including 17 fatal shots to his center of mass but continued to shoot at the officer. The man was still alive for 4 minutes after the shooting stopped. 1 or 2 shots might or might not be enough. YOU can not assume that you know how many is or isn't needed unless YOU are the one shooting. You must have read that part wrong as well.

[mrh2008]

Originally Posted by Creepy

has said she did not see or hear lights and sirens and that Guerena thought they were being targeted for a home invasion, which is why her husband grabbed his AR-15 rifle and told her and their son to hide in a closet.

The raid took place about 9:30 a.m., and Guerena, 26, was asleep after working the graveyard shift at Asarco Mission Mine, Guerena's wife said.

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vicious graveyard shift mine worker.

I say that I am an astronaut, brain surgeon and rocket scientist, does that make it true People can say whatever they want to say, just because they say it doesn't make it true.

Originally Posted by mrh2008

You read it wrong. I said "No way to know he'd forgotten to take the safety off until after the fact." As in, the police have no way to know if a little lever on the side of a riffle is flipped up or down. I did admit that 1 or 2 rounds could have stopped the threat, but I also included a documented case in which a man shooting at police was hit 21 time, including 17 fatal shots to his center of mass but continued to shoot at the officer. The man was still alive for 4 minutes after the shooting stopped. 1 or 2 shots might or might not be enough. YOU can not assume that you know how many is or isn't needed unless YOU are the one shooting. You must have read that part wrong as well.

i do apologize for my misunderstanding because i skim yer shit. it's a little annoying.

i'll admit I wasn't there. I have no idea if he menaced and i'm not sorry to completely disagree I happen to think a veteran of active service, criminal kingpen, pot ring, suspected drug dealer robber, home invader would probably know to disengage the safety. although, i can admit i've forgotten to disengage my own safety. i'm just a recreational target small game kinda shooter though. I don't do it for a living.

You weren't there either. Call me a moron all you want but I'd like to rest a little easier knowing lethal force is reserved for the most extreme situations. Disable, use the robotics, fire tear gas, get the people out alive. They let the man lay there and bleed to death. THEY served up a dozen search warrants in the days leading up to his death and though they claim THEY found what they were looking for NO ARRESTS have been made a month later. To me its just another sign of my personal space and freedoms becoming less personal and it pisses me off. I also hope his children are comforted by you and people like you.

Originally Posted by mrh2008

I say that I am an astronaut, brain surgeon and rocket scientist, does that make it true People can say whatever they want to say, just because they say it doesn't make it true.

:D you think he didn't work the graveyard shift at the mine? this is a matter of public information, not some trumped up fat gape putting an online dating profile up.

In the same logic: a whole local branch of government can just say "EVIDENCE WAS FOUND" "WAIT NO IT WASN'T FOUND" but not make any arrests?
pissh.

here are the facts:

But all we know, more than two weeks after SWAT officers shot him 60 times, is that Guerena was a Marine who served in Iraq and had no criminal record. We know he worked the night shift at the Asarco Mission Mine, and he was a father and husband.

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/arti...cc4c03286.html