[Lugia]

Originally Posted by spycosis ↗

Riot pics -

The BBC are reporting this as an organized influx of ultra right wing nationalists from other areas to cause trouble. It isn't. These people are the local residents who are sick of the lies and propaganda from the authorities. They are sick of being told that terrorist attacks are isolated 'mental health episodes'. This shit is not going away.

Are you defending the people who attacked a mosque because they saw a post from a Russian website claiming the attacker was Muslim when he wasn't?

Also do you have evidence that it was a terror attack, or are you baselessly assuming?

For someone with a hard-on for facts, you sure are missing a few.

[x68000]

To anyone reading from outside the UK.

The ‘protesters’ Were predominantly English defence league members who are a far right group of thugs and racist jobless morons whose own group leader has recently fled the country as he is likely to end up in jail for the fifth time for multiple offences.

Whenever you see them on the news, you can’t help but

[kellyhound]

Man 'with knife and wearing balaclava arrested' near Southport vigil. A man has reportedly been arrested while carrying a flick knife.

Large police presence sped off from the vigil a few hundred yards away and apprehended the man."

Merseyside Police said in a statement: "We have arrested a man and seized a flick knife following an incident in Southport this evening (Tuesday 30 July). A report was received at 6.50pm that a man had been seen with a knife on.

"Officers attended and a man was detained at around 6.55pm, and a flick knife recovered. There are no reports anyone was injured during the incident.

A 32-year-old man from Standish was arrested on suspicion of possession of a bladed article, and taken into custody."

Detective Inspector Gavin Mulcahy said: "We know too well the devastating impact knife crime can have for victims, their families and friends, and those who carry them.

"This week has seen an unspeakable tragedy unfold in Southport, and this incident occurred a short distance from where a vigil had been happening where the community was paying their respects to all those affected.

"Officers made a swift arrest and have seized a knife that could have been used to cause harm in our communities. Those offenders who carry them have no place whatsoever in our communities."

[spycosis]

Originally Posted by Lugia ↗

Are you defending the people who attacked a mosque because they saw a post from a Russian website claiming the attacker was Muslim when he wasn't?

Also do you have evidence that it was a terror attack, or are you baselessly assuming?

For someone with a hard-on for facts, you sure are missing a few.

With such a lack of information surrounding this case of course speculation will follow. However, I stand by my assertion that this was terrorism because -

- It conforms perfectly with the methods described by (usually Islamist) terrorist organizations when instructing the followers to attack the kuffar. That is - to strike at the softest targets possible, to use improvised weapons, whatever is available, such as vehicles, knives, chemicals and explosive materials, and also to operate alone in order to make detection prior to the attack almost impossible.

It does not conform with a 'mental health' episode because -

- The attacker planned it, showing forethought and the ability to formulate and execute a plan of attack. People suffering from schizophrenia or severe psychosis are rarely able to show such organization of thought.

- The attacker tried to escape when confronted by a passer-by, which indicates he recognized the danger to himself at that point. Again, an unusual clarity of mind for someone immersed in a psychotic state.

- The attacker disguised himself after leaving the taxi in which he arrived, demonstrating clearly that he wanted to avoid detection.

Finally, the attacker is also a first generation child of immigrants, as were the vast majority of other Islamist terrorists who committed terrorist attacks in the UK. These first and second generations, for whatever sociological reason you wish to investigate, are notorious for their anti-social mindset and this group constitutes the majority of troublemakers within their demographic.

Until we have evidence to contradict any of this, I feel perfectly justified in making these speculations.

Sorry if this doesn't fit your narrative.

[Doctordeath]

EDL ( English Defence league) have not been around for ages. They sound like angry locals to me.

[Pyramid_Head]

From the video and images posted above, he looks how all of us pictured.

[gauldicus]

Originally Posted by x68000 ↗

To anyone reading from outside the UK.

The ‘protesters’ Were predominantly English defence league members who are a far right group of thugs and racist jobless morons whose own group leader has recently fled the country as he is likely to end up in jail for the fifth time for multiple offences.

Whenever you see them on the news, you can’t help but

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TOMMY ROBINSON, HE ISNT THEIR LEADER AND HASNT BEEN FOR ABOUT A DECADE. TOMMY ROBINSON IS A TRUE ENGLISH HERO.

[Lugia]

Originally Posted by spycosis ↗

With such a lack of information surrounding this case of course speculation will follow. However, I stand by my assertion that this was terrorism because -

- It conforms perfectly with the methods described by (usually Islamist) terrorist organizations when instructing the followers to attack the kuffar. That is - to strike at the softest targets possible, to use improvised weapons, whatever is available, such as vehicles, knives, chemicals and explosive materials, and also to operate alone in order to make detection prior to the attack almost impossible.

It does not conform with a 'mental health' episode because -

- The attacker planned it, showing forethought and the ability to formulate and execute a plan of attack. People suffering from schizophrenia or severe psychosis are rarely able to show such organization of thought.

- The attacker tried to escape when confronted by a passer-by, which indicates he recognized the danger to himself at that point. Again, an unusual clarity of mind for someone immersed in a psychotic state.

- The attacker disguised himself after leaving the taxi in which he arrived, demonstrating clearly that he wanted to avoid detection.

Finally, the attacker is also a first generation child of immigrants, as were the vast majority of other Islamist terrorists who committed terrorist attacks in the UK. These first and second generations, for whatever sociological reason you wish to investigate, are notorious for their anti-social mindset and this group constitutes the majority of troublemakers within their demographic.

Until we have evidence to contradict any of this, I feel perfectly justified in making these speculations.

Sorry if this doesn't fit your narrative.

The only one with a narrative here is you.

The facts don't care about your opinion. For something to be terror-related, you must know the motive - which you don't. There's nothing that connects this person to any Islamist groups, there's zero evidence he has anything to do with the Muslim community, and the police have even said he wasn't a Muslim.

These are lies spread through social media which you have clearly just eaten up without questioning.

[spycosis]

For clarification, the EDL is not an ultra right-wing group of jobless, racist morons as suggested by someone in this thread.

Unfortunately there are some idiots (football hooligans included) fitting that description who also support the EDL but by and large, the majority of its supporters belong to the working classes of Britain.

Whilst I agree with some of their arguments, I personally do not support them and never would. They have a lot of complaints but very little in the way of solutions, so I can not take them seriously as a political movement, and of course there is the association with racists that I deplore.

My father being Irish and my mother being half-Indian also makes me undesirable to some of those racist cunts within that group. But I am British 100% and I love my country. I can not stand silently and watch it turn to shit.

Everyone is welcome in the UK, whatever their race or colour or creed as long as they play by the rules of being respectful to their neighbours. People who hate Britain are generally not welcome here. It's pretty fucking simple really.

[spycosis]

Originally Posted by Lugia ↗

The only one with a narrative here is you.

The facts don't care about your opinion. For something to be terror-related, you must know the motive - which you don't. There's nothing that connects this person to any Islamist groups, there's zero evidence he has anything to do with the Muslim community, and the police have even said he wasn't a Muslim.

I disagree that the motive must be known for something to be terror-related. A suicide bomber may leave no clues behind as to what motivated them to bomb a Shia mosque in Iraq, but we can say with 99% certainty what the reason was.

We may be wrong though - perhaps such a person was forced to commit that act of violence. Maybe they unwittingly drove a bomb-laden vehicle to the mosque that day. These are the unknowns, in which case we make an educated guess based on previous similar events.

This is what I am doing now. Making an educated guess based on the history of similar events in the UK. The last time such an atrocity like this occurred in Britain, where the motivation was non-political, i.e. due to psychopathy or other mental health issues, was the Dunblane primary school massacre 40 years ago.

The last time an atrocity like this was committed in England where young children were the target, as an act of Islamic terrorism, was 7 years ago. The last Islamic terrorist attack in the UK, before this latest atrocity, was 2 weeks ago.

I admitted I am speculating in what is a vacuum of information right now, but I like maths and numbers, and I am basing my speculations on statistical probabilities. And right now it's not looking too favourable for the mental health argument.

Just as I do not have evidence to prove this, you also have no evidence to the contrary, so what makes your opinion any more accurate than mine?

I hope I am proved wrong, but I will not be ashamed to have drawn the wrong conclusion. We are, after all, pattern-seeking animals. It is what we do. It is how we are able to utilize science as a tool for understanding - we identify patterns and we make assumptions based on probabilities and philosophical concepts such as that of Occam's Razor. That is all I am doing now.