[Pink.]

Originally Posted by a175 ↗

I don't think it's paranoia if it's real. I'm all for protecting your home... keep your firearms at the ready, friend.

Let this be a word of warning to those that are fans of world policing-
If you don't want multiculturalism, then don't support colonialism.
This (and distance) is one of the primary reasons why Europeans are and have been dealing with this much more so than we are across the pond. Be thankful that our games of empire were not to the same extent as theirs, but pay close attention to what it results in.

But you sound as if because of colonialism....WE...as in the people TODAY MUST BE PUNISHED by allowing these people to overrun, overtake, ruin our lifestyles.....because our forefathers....

Oh yeah...:The sins of the father are visited upon the son" comes to mind....

Its like AMERICAN AND EUROPEAN PEOPLE MUST BE PUNISHED by sending them people(no matter from where) THAT THEY DO NOT WANT....

....and Lord, dont forget to give these "undesirables" more rights than you....and "make sure that if you RETALIATE against anything they do TO YOU, then YOU...as a WESTERN INFIDEL MUST BE PUNISHED.


I would say that^^^ in the right words and from the mouth of the right politician could REALLY LIGHT A FIRE UNDER THE ASSES OF THE PEOPLE!!

[a175]

What percentage do you require for something to be considered "prominent"?

[a175]

Originally Posted by Pink. ↗

But you sound as if because of colonialism....WE...as in the people TODAY MUST BE PUNISHED by allowing these people to overrun, overtake, ruin our lifestyles.....because our forefathers....

Oh yeah...:The sins of the father are visited upon the son" comes to mind....

Its like AMERICAN AND EUROPEAN PEOPLE MUST BE PUNISHED by sending them people(no matter from where) THAT THEY DO NOT WANT....

....and Lord, dont forget to give these "undesirables" more rights than you....and "make sure that if you RETALIATE against anything they do TO YOU, then YOU...as a WESTERN INFIDEL MUST BE PUNISHED.


I would say that^^^ in the right words and from the mouth of the right politician could REALLY LIGHT A FIRE UNDER THE ASSES OF THE PEOPLE!!

No no no. You are misunderstanding my point.

Nobody is culpable to the sins of their fathers. Multiculturalism is just a natural byproduct of colonialism. Nobody deserves it, that's just how it work.

"Foreign" people that are part of the Empire are still part of the Empire. European colonization of Africa, Asia, and the Middle East came with a heavy cost... and Africa is probably the greatest example of that.
We in America have been (thankfully) largely insulated from it.
Maybe the best way to compare it is to look at US territories and protectorate versus the same in Europe. We may have folks from Guam, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands that can claim to be American of sorts... but not Algerians, Tunisians, and Indians.

It's pretty standard stuff. England, Spain, France, Ottomans, Byzantines, Romans... it all ends the same. Expansion and colonialism doesn't really work, and that's a good reason why the whole "Caliphate" thing isn't going to work (there's a good reason it was never really a solid, unified, "empire").

Again, nobody deserves it. That's just a byproduct, just like secondhand smoke and health problems.

The only humane solution-
Public policy needs to change. Quit mucking about around the world. Stop making friends with those that either harm you or support harmful people. Yes, control your borders. Fix ridiculous laws that allow people to get away with crime. I'm not against surveillance. If you KNOW that somebody is a psychopath then do something about it. I get tired of reading about how the latest attacker was already on their radar... take them down BEFORE they get a chance to kill people instead of crying about it later. Trust me, prevention is cheaper than a cure.
On a personal level, remain vigilant. Stay at the ready, but don't let it ruin your damn life. I lived that way for years and it's exhausting and takes the joy out of living.
Avoid blanket generalizations. It's not helpful, and only adds fuel to the fire.
Perhaps... and I know this seems just totally crazy... if you want to know about somebody, ask THEM.

[facing_reality]

"Stop making friends with those that either harm you or support harmful people."

That's the pot calling the kettle black right there!

[a175]

Originally Posted by facing_reality ↗

"Stop making friends with those that either harm you or support harmful people."

That's the pot calling the kettle black right there!

Haven't had enough of looking like an idiot yet?
Please give an intelligent explanation to your comment.
I've already said that Saudi Arabia is an enemy rather than a friend, yet we keep being their homies.

Generally, I think we're better off being trading partners* with the rest of the world and nothing more. Military alliances have gotten us into more trouble than anything else.
*Actual things people use, not weapons of war

[Pink.]

Originally Posted by a175 ↗

What percentage do you require for something to be considered "prominent"?

I may be using the wrong word when I say Prominent mysim groups but Im talking about the known groups...be they terroristic, political or just another sect of shiites or Sunnis. No numbers games....

[guims79]

Guys, the only thing I can tell after reading your comments ( as far as I can understand with my poor english) is we are in some ways, on the same side...It reassures me a little to see, since I come here, that there're still some people who are aware of the situation, and I mean in a smart way...Not too much angry, but not too much stoical neither". It's not usefull to argue about the past in any way, I think.

I'm surely not an intellectual or high mental person, but smart enought to read between the lines of television's propaganda( it's everywhere, and it's a letal weapon...series, docs, movies, tv news,commercials, whatever...).

I aware of course that knowing history helps to understand the futur, a175, your right in a lot of ways, but what is done, is done...

In early 50's( for reconstructing ruined after war France) government allowed Portuguese immigrants (first wave of it). One of my buddies is coming directly from that, and the fact is:
-Portugal has not been colonized by France.
-They are christians (not saying, again, that muslims are all bad, but it was easier to link christians to other christians)
-The politics behaviours, in a way, let french to be not so much gagged and stuck in taboos about rascism and tolerance...

The result is those portugeses immigrants are much better integrated, feeling real frenchs, and respectful...Welcome to them.

It's a new era of elits and politic and it's an actual thing.

French mass people ( don't know for your countries)are deeply scared to see the evidences, afraid to be treated like rascists and xenophobic because of so much "politicaly correct" and hypocrisy assaults every day...Exept, maybe those who have faced directly the problem (some attacks victims, Calais or getho major towns locals for example)

I don't know the fix to the problem. But what I expecting is, even the net, which allows people like us to stay objective, and to speak openly, will soon be contaminated by that shit

So what could we do?

[guims79]

Originally Posted by Pink. ↗

I would say that^^^ in the right words and from the mouth of the right politician could REALLY LIGHT A FIRE UNDER THE ASSES OF THE PEOPLE!!

That's the nearly exact toughts of "Front National" drived by Marine Lepen, actually( far right but in my taste, an "old school" far left socialism behaviour, it's well known that if you want a left politic, vote on right) and wich will lead France to civil war in few years. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying your false, just saying...

[Pink.]

Originally Posted by a175 ↗

No no no. You are misunderstanding my point.

Nobody is culpable to the sins of their fathers. Multiculturalism is just a natural byproduct of colonialism.

Nobody deserves

it, that's just how it work.

YET WHAT YOU SAY BELOW SUGGESTS THAT WE aMERICANS ...WE WESTERNERS need to be punished.


You say stop mucking around the world and playing police....well MOST of us would just as soon deal with shortages and whatever other inconveniences that might occur rather than deal with "those people". THEY ARE NOT US. THEY COME IN AND BUILD ENTIRE COMMUNITIES. THEY PRACTICE THEIR OWN LAWS OVER THE LAWS OF OUR COUNTRIES.

I would definitely consider that PUNISHMENT. Not to mention if a Westerner is attacked or somehow violated(financially, sexually, soccially, ...etc) WE HAVE NO RECOURSE....Yetm the POOR REFUGEE was just following HIS CULTURAL PRACTICES. This is the kind of exaample we are seeing and yet WE must be PUNISHED...?????

IT IS NOT ABOUT "FOREIGN PEOPLE"....it is about PEOPLE WHO AS A GROUP could,...would....and are now GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY to DO US HARM.

There is a difference there.

"Foreign" people that are part of the Empire are still part of the Empire. European colonization of Africa, Asia, and the Middle East came with a heavy cost... and Africa is probably the greatest example of that.
We in America have been (thankfully) largely insulated from it.
Maybe the best way to compare it is to look at US territories and protectorate versus the same in Europe. We may have folks from Guam, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands that can claim to be American of sorts... but not Algerians, Tunisians, and Indians.

It's pretty standard stuff. England, Spain, France, Ottomans, Byzantines, Romans... it all ends the same. Expansion and colonialism doesn't really work, and that's a good reason why the whole "Caliphate" thing isn't going to work (there's a good reason it was never really a solid, unified, "empire").

Again, nobody deserves it. That's just a byproduct, just like secondhand smoke and health problems.

The only humane solution-
Public policy needs to change. Quit mucking about around the world. Stop making friends with those that either harm you or support harmful people. Yes, control your borders. Fix ridiculous laws that allow people to get away with crime. I'm not against surveillance. If you KNOW that somebody is a psychopath then do something about it. I get tired of reading about how the latest attacker was already on their radar... take them down BEFORE they get a chance to kill people instead of crying about it later. Trust me, prevention is cheaper than a cure.
On a personal level, remain vigilant. Stay at the ready, but don't let it ruin your damn life. I lived that way for years and it's exhausting and takes the joy out of living.
Avoid blanket generalizations. It's not helpful, and only adds fuel to the fire.
Perhaps... and I know this seems just totally crazy... if you want to know about somebody, ask THEM.

You speak of humane....but that is ONLY HUMANE TO THE "REFUGEES"/

[guims79]

Pink, you just said what I tried hardly to explain just before about Portugeses,

Sometimes I would love to live in U.S., for some reasons, even if I don't think it's absolutely perfect neither...

The only thing I know, is we are sitting on a dynamite bar, that is lighted, I only hope to be not to much old and defensless when it will blow up.