[Kanda444]

Originally Posted by Metal Mike ↗

And that's not to say that gun reform in Australia didn't have some sort of effect, but it is to say that dwizzy's comment is completely full of shit. Plus that's just what came up after a quick Google search, so I'm assuming those were just the most high-profile massacres. I seem to remember a Mother's Day Parade shooting in New Orleans that didn't make national headlines (or at least not for very long), for example, so I'm sure that Australia also has its fair share of little-known local-news slaughters. Comparisons between the massacre rate in America versus the massacre rate in Australia should also adjust for each nation's land mass, population, number of large urban centers, et cetera.

Unless that's not simple enough, in which case TL;DR: GUNZ'RE EEEEBIL!

dont forget media perception. kids in Detroit and Chicago got killed in sickening numbers since the 80's and 90's.....but the media doesnt pretend to give a shit until a white school got shot up. suddenly, its an issue again.

the media sells sensationalism so its no surprise that people have a distorted perception of reality. i wonder how violent most americans would feel their city was if they were to stop watching the news? turns out....when i stopped watching the news every night.....i didnt see or hear about one death unless i sought that kind of story out. im not saying to not be informed.....but the level of weight people put into the stories they see on the evening news is shocking to me, to be delicate about it.

[TheVrist]

Originally Posted by Kanda444 ↗

dont forget media perception. kids in Detroit and Chicago got killed in sickening numbers since the 80's and 90's.....but the media doesnt pretend to give a shit until a white school got shot up. suddenly, its an issue again.

the media sells sensationalism so its no surprise that people have a distorted perception of reality. i wonder how violent most americans would feel their city was if they were to stop watching the news? turns out....when i stopped watching the news every night.....i didnt see or hear about one death unless i sought that kind of story out. im not saying to not be informed.....but the level of weight people put into the stories they see on the evening news is shocking to me, to be delicate about it.

HA! I know the feeling, living in NOLA, when they were knocking off 3 a night on average, I could still live in my own utopia just by listening to the radio for a change.

[dwizzy22]

Originally Posted by TheVrist ↗

Guess you failed to see his ending point.
23.13 million people spread out in a land mass of 2.97 million sq miles


versus the united states
With 318.9 million (not counting undocumented immigrants) people, spread out on 3.806 million sq miles.

Your biggest populated city being around 4.5 million is equivalent to some of our mediocre sized towns.

Apples and oranges, friend.

. No actually 30% of Americans own guns (legally) that's roughly 96 million people legally armed not including the illegitimate. I'm not here to fog the point. It's not a complex or any which way it's the fact that there's a serious problem there and a majority of Americans seem to avoid admitting that.

[dwizzy22]

Bout to get ownd for writing million

[TheVrist]

Originally Posted by dwizzy22 ↗

. No actually 30% of Americans own guns (legally) that's roughly 96 million people legally armed not including the illegitimate. I'm not here to fog the point. It's not a complex or any which way it's the fact that there's a serious problem there and a majority of Americans seem to avoid admitting that.

Because perhaps Americans LIVE here, and don't always see eye to eye with the media, that obviously has people in other countries mislead.

The 90 million legitimate gun owners are hardly the problem. The illegitimate owners crime rates have dropped in the past 2 decades to over HALF.

(I should put this in my signature but here goes again)

In the 1980s the United states had a murder per capita 10 per 100,000... 2015 it is 4.7 There were actually federal mandates making stricter gun laws in the 80s. in 1986 they eased up on the seller restrictions. The murder per capita started dropping from then on to what it is at now.

Our gun deaths statistic are around 60%, self inflicted, 25-30% homicide, which include justifiable, and the rest accidental or unexplained.

Sounds like we have more of a suicide problem, don't it?

Of course when the media tells the tale of how many gun related deaths, they don't break it down. They say there are X amount of gun related deaths per year in America, people swish some math around, giving us an insane per capita number, when most of it is people that would kill themselves with a butter knife if desperate enough.

Stop letting OUR media skew your perspective, and if you're so curious about what goes on in our politics, learn to read from both sides. Not ones that just support your already made up mind.

[dwizzy22]

No ones skewing any of my views I despise media they are scum that only run what sells, we share similar societies and I'm only saying we don't have school, church, what ever shootings of the sort which can only be seen as mental. It's not beyond me to realise there are huge issues beyond weapons but my point is its a good starting point. I thoroughly appreciate your stats they are an eye opener for me thevrist

[OhJstFkOffAlrdy]

Originally Posted by commondenom ↗

running for cover most likely.....having a gun just makes little dicked people feel powerful but 99% wouldn't have a clue how to use it effectively when confronted with a situation like this.... the other 1% being ex-military or police

Not always LEO or ex-military, but you do have a point. I wouldn't trust most of the people I know to be able to handle a gun in a mass shooter situation. I'd like to think that I could trust myself, but most people say that and I don't even carry concealed currently. I'd at least like to think that my desire to shoot someone would at least be able to cooperate with my instincts for self-preservation long enough for me to make the smartest decision that gets the least amount of people killed, though.

Anyone who thinks that just being armed is enough is probably just as dangerous as the rampaging nutjob.