[Impotent Rage]

Originally Posted by plant05 ↗

This is not the gun's fault. Its the person behind the gun. Getting rid of guns will not solve the problem. Getting rid of or helping those with the guns will solve the problem.

Nobody will ever be able to eradicate guns. Stricter gun controls would be about removing them from everyday life and changing public attitudes towards them. As per my previous post, I'm not sure how that could be accomplished in the US but is it not worth consideration? It seems like the topic hasn't been given serious consideration in the US or perhaps it just isn't a realistic proposition?

Originally Posted by plant05 ↗

I am at a loss of words. Sick to my stomach.

Feeling it here too. Hoping the US public use that feeling to do something positive, if they can.

[Kanda444]

Originally Posted by Impotent Rage ↗

I have to agree with MEMOR3X on this. The gun controls implemented in the UK after Dunblane have made a huge difference.

Like any contentious topic, there are statistics available that can be utilised to prove or disprove effectiveness of these laws. I, for one, felt a shift in attitude towards guns that makes everyone feel so much safer. I'm not going to claim there are no illegal weapons, nor will I claim that a school massacre is now impossible in the UK.

I feel that a populous in this day and age cannot and should not be routinely trusted with weapons that are designed to kill other humans, be it for self defence or simply exerting some legal right. Until the American population address their normalised, mundane attitude towards guns, many will feel that they NEED them to defend against aggressors. As a Brit, we barely recognise guns nowadays; they are an alien concept, somewhat the preserve of Hollywood and fantasy. I think the national attitude is that we don't need or want them because criminals or anyone we fall foul of are so unlikely to carry them. To normalise their presence again would be a grievous regression.

Having said that...

My suspicions are that similar gun controls would be less effective in the US because of your land borders; I suspect that criminals would continue to source weapons en masse from neighbouring nations. In Britain, I'm sure many guns come across from France but I suspect it's individual units coming over to equip only the most dedicated criminal factions.

Originally Posted by Kanda444 ↗

you're right.... let's not make this about the tragic loss of life and the slaying of innocent children...lets turn this thread into a battle over the gun rights of a country you dont live in. very compassionate of you.

[MEMOR3X]

Originally Posted by K9Grip ↗

It doesn't happen every day here either. We have far more people than you do as well. Dunblane???

Germany has had quite a lot of school shootings, how do you explain those?

UK Population: 63mn
Gun Laws: STRICT
Total school shootings: 1

Germany Population: 82mn
Gun Laws: STRICT
Total school shootings: 7

USA Population: 315mn
Gun Laws: Lax
Total school shootings: 100+


Nah, gun laws are fine in the US.

[Kanda444]

it disgusts me that people use the deaths of children, elementary aged children, as a catalyst to bitch about politics of a country they arent even a part of.

[rabenson]

edit. Sorry I got this wrong

[MEMOR3X]

Originally Posted by Kanda444 ↗

it disgusts me that people use the deaths of children, elementary aged children, as a catalyst to bitch about politics of a country they arent even a part of.

Kanda, it's not bitching. If anything it's to make sure their deaths are not in vain.

If someone dies because of a faulty piece of equipment, Health & Safety laws are brought in to prevent it happening to someone else.

If a load of people are killed by guns, in a country with crap gun laws... you see where I'm going with this?

[Faline]

Tragic

[Impotent Rage]

Kanda444, if you see my comments as "bitching" then I feel sorry for you and your narrow-minded attitude.

[Rudebwoy]

I bet it will be the fault of violent video games :D

[Kanda444]

Originally Posted by MEMOR3X ↗

Kanda, it's not bitching. If anything it's to make sure their deaths are not in vain.

If someone dies because of a faulty piece of equipment, Health & Safety laws are brought in to prevent it happening to someone else.

If a load of people are killed by guns, in a country with crap gun laws... you see where I'm going with this?

bullshit.... the laws here have no effect on you. would moments after the 7/7 bombing be an appropriate time for an American to bring up UK politics? no... that's a disgusting way to act, imo.