[TheUrinator]

Well said RapeWhistle. The glittering jewels of colossal ignorance on display by the anti-gun posters is maddening. Every rant is based on hypothetical situations and total denial of good people protecting themselves from criminals. I wish the anti gun people would form their own little "utopia" and all of them move there. We can bet on how long it takes for bad people to annihilate them.

[TheUrinator]

Oh wait they tried that in Washington DC and Chicago. They have become the 2 most violent cities in the country. Why dont we make all liberal cities gun free zones? I'll support that. Let that herd get thinned out.

[shadesofcolours]

I know what they did was wrong, but all those people and not one at least approached him so he didn't die lonely. Many people there but he was alone. There is scientific evidence to suggest that the part of the brain that deals with right and wrong is not 100% formed until we are in our 20's. They were young people that made bad decisions.

[tiki]

Wow lets look at the boy drowning in his blood.

[ralucagymnast]

I think he has been hit in the chest; makes sense, if you think about it. Cop pulls his gun, aims quickly bang; probably hit the guy in the heart by the looks of it, he bleeds out very very quickly.

[SalemSaberhagen]

Originally Posted by TheUrinator ↗

Wow, the statistics on violent crime in Australia do not fit the fairy tale story we read from the anti-gun douchebag.

Clearly you have done no research at all, douchebag. Australia is a far safer country than gUnhappy States of America.

[SalemSaberhagen]

[QUOTE=TheUrinator;4107079]If everyone was armed, criminals would be a lot less likely to commit crimes in the first place. QUOTE]

Thats why ignorant scum like you give you seppos a bad reputation. What BULLSHIT!!! The old 'if everyone had a gun' BULL FUCKNG *SHIT* *lie* has been exposed and debunked so many times. Its no wonder yank land is so violent and dangerous. In countries where cavemen-like traditions like people carrying guns aren't the norm, crime is so so SO much LOWER. Thats where FUCKED UP MORONS like you and your pansyarsed weak argument falls apart. Countries where people are not free to carry guns are MUCH SAFER. Do you get that, you retard? Do the RESEARCH! No wonder the world hates America. We down here shake our heads and wonder if it will be the next mass shooting, or maybe 5 after that, we all shake our heads in amazement at you violent cavemen backward yanks and wodner when you will, finally, drag your arse into the 21st century like the rest of the western CIVILISED world and ban carrying guns. For god sake, your backward country is so pathetic, but hey, whats a school shooting here and there, as longas you have your pathetic little 'right' to carry a lethal weapon making it more dangerous for victims and your country more dangerous and violent, who cares, huh? Wow. Your country is so fucking BACKWARD.

[SalemSaberhagen]

Lol, we live in utopia already. Australia. New Zealand. England. Canada. Switzerland. Want me to go on. EVIDENCE *PROVES* that less guns equals a safer society. Thats not me saying this, its FUCKING STATISTICAL EVIDENCE! There is NO evidence WHATSOEVER, that more guns equals a safer society. On the CONTRARY. This is FACT.

On second thoughts, I recall a few comments when the last mass shooting in America happened. Someone said, 'give all them fucken yanks guns, let them anihilate each other and we'll have a yank free world, no more wars'. Good point. Why don't all you backwards uncivilised cavemen all arm yourselves, have a good old fucken shootout, since you backward yanks love nothing better than that. Do us all a favour. KILL YOURSELVES OFF ALREADY! Sooner you do it, the better off the world will be. You guys seriously would be shocked if you knew what the rest of the world thought of your uncivilised dangerous dump of a country. Kill each other off. Please.

[SalemSaberhagen]

And that, is my final venture into this thread. In the meantime, please hurry up and wipe each other out.

[SalemSaberhagen]

Oops, one last post. I've been doing more research and have found an enormous amount of facts, evidence and statistics showing how gun control has made my country and others in the civilised world a much SAFER place. But I thought you may be interested (or maybe not, since facts don't interest the brainwashed gUnhappy loons they don't want to open their minds and learn how brainwashed the NRA has them) in this Op Ed from a former Prime Minister, a CONSERVATIVE Prime Minister of Australia, a CONSERVATIVE PM who INTRODUCED our gun control laws, and is most renowned and lauded for doing so. So all this 'liberal' (ironic, in Australia, Liberal means conservative, and Howard was the Liberal Party of Australia member of parliament as well as PM Liberal = Republican and Labor = Democrat. Howard was a conservative) bs is just that. Its nothing to do with politics. Conservatives agreed with the laws same as Labor supporters. And some Labor supporters disagreed, it extends across party politics, its not a socialist vs conservative issue, like America makes it out to be.

"Brothers in arms, yes, but the US needs to get rid of its guns

John Howard
Published: August 1, 2012 – 8:13AM Sydney Morning Herald




EARLY in 2008 Janette and I were guests of the former president, George H. W. Bush or ”41”, as he is affectionately known, at his Presidential Library in College Station, Texas. I spoke to a warm and friendly audience of more than 300 who enthusiastically reacted until, in answer to a request to nominate the proudest actions of the Australian government I had led for almost 12 years, I included the national gun control laws enacted after the Port Arthur massacre in April 1996.

Having applauded my references to the liberation of East Timor, leaving Australia debt free, presiding over a large reduction in unemployment and standing beside the US in the global fight against terrorism, there was an audible gasp of amazement at my expressing pride in what Australia had done to limit the use of guns.

I had been given a sharp reminder that, despite the many things we have in common with our American friends, there is a huge cultural divide when it comes to the free availability of firearms.

Just under two weeks ago, my wife and I were in Dallas, Texas, when the mass shooting in Aurora, Colorado, took place. The responses of President Barack Obama and Mitt Romney, his presumed Republican opponent, were as predictable as they were disappointing. While expressing sorrow at such a loss of life, both quickly said that they supported the Second Amendment to the US constitution: long regarded as providing an extensive right for Americans to bear arms.

The Second Amendment, crafted in the immediate post-revolutionary years, is more than 200 years old and was designed to protect the right of local communities to raise and maintain militia for use against external threats (including the newly formed national government!). It bears no relationship at all to the circumstances of everyday life in America today. Yet there is a near religious fervour about protecting the right of Americans to have their guns – and plenty of them.

In this respect it is worth noting that the local police claim that James Holmes, the man now formally charged over the Aurora shootings, had in his possession an AR15 assault rifle (similar to one used by Martin Bryant at Port Arthur), a shotgun and two Glock handguns and 6000 rounds of ammunition. All had been legally obtained.

Obama and Romney are both highly intelligent, decent men who care deeply about the safety of Americans. Yet such is the strength of the pro-gun culture in their country that neither felt able to use the Aurora tragedy as a reason to start a serious debate on gun control.

There is more to this than merely the lobbying strength of the National Rifle Association and the proximity of the November presidential election. It is hard to believe that their reaction would have been any different if the murders in Aurora had taken place immediately after the election of either Obama or Romney. So deeply embedded is the gun culture of the US, that millions of law-abiding, Americans truly believe that it is safer to own a gun, based on the chilling logic that because there are so many guns in circulation, one’s own weapon is needed for self-protection. To put it another way, the situation is so far gone there can be no turning back.

The murder rate in the US is roughly four times that in each of Australia, New Zealand, and Britain. Even the most diehard supporter of guns must concede that America’s lax firearms laws are a major part of the explanation for such a disparity.

On April 28, 1996, Bryant, using two weapons, killed 35 people in Tasmania. It was, at that time, the largest number of people who had died in a single series of incidents at the hands of one person.

The national gun control laws delivered by the Howard government, following this tragedy received bipartisan support. They, nonetheless, caused internal difficulties for some of my then National Party colleagues. Tim Fischer and John Anderson, then leader and deputy leader of the National Party federally, as well as Rob Borbidge, then National Party premier of Queensland, courageously faced down opponents in their own ranks to support a measure they knew to be in the national interest. Many believed, in the months that followed, that hostility towards these gun laws played a role in the emergence of Pauline Hanson’s One Nation cause.

These national gun laws have proven beneficial. Research published in 2010 in the American Journal of Law and Economics found that firearm homicides, in Australia, dropped 59 per cent between 1995 and 2006. There was no offsetting increase in non-firearm-related murders. Researchers at Harvard University in 2011 revealed that in the 18 years prior to the 1996 Australian laws, there were 13 gun massacres (four or more fatalities) in Australia, resulting in 102 deaths. There have been none in that category since the Port Arthur laws.

A key component of the 1996 measure, which banned the sale, importation and possession of all automatic and semi-automatic rifles and shotguns, was a national buy-back scheme involving the compulsory forfeiture of newly illegal weapons. Between 1996 and 1998 more than 700,000 guns were removed and destroyed. This was one-fifth of Australia’s estimated stock of firearms. The equivalent in the US would have been 40 million guns. Australia’s action remains one of the largest destructions of civilian firearms.

Australia is a safer country as a result of what was done in 1996. It will be the continuing responsibility of current and future federal and state governments to ensure the effectiveness of those anti-gun laws is never weakened. The US is a country for which I have much affection. There are many American traits which we Australians could well emulate to our great benefit. But when it comes to guns we have been right to take a radically different path.

John Howard was prime minister from 1996 to 2007.

http://guncontrol.org.au/

"the situation is so far gone there can be no turning back."

I hope he is wrong. For American citzen's sake, I hope Howard is wrong. I know America takes a long long time to be dragged kicking and screaming to join the rest of western society into civilisation, I mean, you've only just started getting universal health care. Last week, Australia celebrated the 30th aniversary of Medicare. Huge cake, celebrations, the works. I wouldn't live anywhere else for quids. But, I just pray it does not take America another 30 years to do what is necessary and what is RIGHT. And join the safer civilisation the rest of the western world share, and stop being the butt of ridicule in the world.