[SimoneFlen']

Originally Posted by b1gpoppa ↗

Good work on gathering all that other material Simone

Thank you very much!

[SimoneFlen']

Originally Posted by minka1 ↗

So every single person involved in this massacre...were residents of this housing complex? And not just that, but you have proof that each male involved were/are living off the dole?

Please provide proof of everything you have stated.

And someone else saying 16 year old children shouldn’t be on the dole? This is 2019, not c1900 where orphan children were nothing more than work horses.

Some of you are just beyond my comprehension. Perfect Hypocrites.


Y’all are the same whones who’ll still shit on black and brown people, their whole families, parents and even their children, working multiple jobs, putting their kids thru school, paying bills, and some needing and using assistance...not taking gross advantage of it.
Just doing their best to survive and care for their loved ones...and all you need to hear is they are using some sort of govt assistance to prove that these are worthless people.

Sick fuckers. Nothing said when it’s white people abusing every privilege they have. Lol. From the stinking rich to the lowliest poorest gutter white...silence.

Lady, you have to stop taking everything as a personal attack on black people. True, there are a number of dickheads here who make racist comments about black people, but you can't tar us all with the same brush; I certainly don't have any issue.

No one who is able to work should have a dole lifestyle. The dole is there to help people get by when in between jobs or when they're ill + unable to work (though they get a different benefit here in the UK, I don't know what it's called though).

+ trust me, we have a massive 'chav culture' here in England. Vile + dysfunctional WHITE people. Scrawny little men in tracksuits, can of alcohol in one hand, spliff in another, shaking from waiting for their next fix of hard drugs. Their massive girlfriends, massive hoop earrings, tracksuit, Croydon facelift, chewing gum + with 5 little kids in tow (usually all from different fathers). The dole scum in England are WHITE + we look down on them.

Not everything is about race + you need to realise that most people here are not racist towards black people.

[JoeyGee]

Originally Posted by minka1 ↗

So every single person involved in this massacre...were residents of this housing complex? And not just that, but you have proof that each male involved were/are living off the dole?

Please provide proof of everything you have stated.

And someone else saying 16 year old children shouldn’t be on the dole? This is 2019, not c1900 where orphan children were nothing more than work horses.

Some of you are just beyond my comprehension. Perfect Hypocrites.


Y’all are the same whones who’ll still shit on black and brown people, their whole families, parents and even their children, working multiple jobs, putting their kids thru school, paying bills, and some needing and using assistance...not taking gross advantage of it.
Just doing their best to survive and care for their loved ones...and all you need to hear is they are using some sort of govt assistance to prove that these are worthless people.

Sick fuckers. Nothing said when it’s white people abusing every privilege they have. Lol. From the stinking rich to the lowliest poorest gutter white...silence.

Puerto Ricans are born on welfare. Live on welfare. Breed like rabbits on welfare. Die on welfare. Generation 6 and counting.

[foxracing]

welfare is not a career

[Yanni]

'ricans gonna 'rican.

[FuManBoobs]

Originally Posted by JoseQuinones ↗

I attended a volleyball tournament in this complex once. Most of the people are great, but you always get that "element" wherever you have a community of good-for-nothing young men who turn to drug trafficking for easy money. I say we make it illegal for men between the ages of 16 to 50 to be on the dole. Sure, help the women with kids and old people, but let the young men find a job or go hungry. My two cents.

Your two cents isn't worth jack shit. The problem with what you and others suggest is that we live in a society where people get what they deserve. Not only does this imply that free will exists but it also ignore the inherent inequality within our system. Making poor people poorer doesn't increase their desire to do anything helpful.

You're trying to punish them for living in a system that already fucks the poor over and saying it's their fault.

Now I'm going to reply giving you some arguments against free will, so you can't blame people for not having a hard work ethic or turning to crime, but that doesn't mean it's not a problem that requires solving. It's just your "solution" doesn't make sense because it requires free will. If free will existed then working out the causes of behaviour wouldn't be needed.

But that is stupid, it's like blaming the first car in front of you for the road block at the end of the street. If you don't try to understand the causal relationships you'll forever be spouting stupid two cent solutions that don't work. In actual fact, when people are giving more money they behave better. Just a FYI.

You can stop reading now because I'm pretty sure well reasoned arguments won't go over well with you if the limit of your thought process was expressed in your previous post.

If you can ascribe reasons to the things that you do, then you are drawing that line of determination from variable A to variable B: one thing causes another. This is how scientists analyze things, but you don’t have to be a scientist to do it. You just ask: “How did I feel, what did I think, and what were the factors that went into deciding what I decided?”

Scientists can do this in a great deal of detail. Rigorous theories of behavior usually ascribe our feelings and actions to a complex web of interacting causes, at any number of different levels: social causes, psychological causes and neurophysiological causes all can interact with one another.

But whether the reason is simple, or a complex dynamic interacting web of factors, in the end there is a reason you wanted the thing you wanted, and a reason you made the choice that you made. And once you identify the reason, you have eliminated “free will” from the equation: you have figured out, instead, that there is a cause, or a thing (or set of things) that determined your choice.

Your only other option is to say, “There was no reason!” which means that you behaved randomly. Randomness is also not “free will”.

1. Some people don’t actually believe that their choices are made outside the scope of cause-and-effect.

In the classic Nature or Nurture debate, nobody ever seems to argue for "neither" because everything we do is implicitly understood to be based on antecedent causes. People will object to this, but when asked why they did something, they’re stuck in a corner. They can say it was random, but that’s not free will. Alternatively, they can say, "I did it because…" and fill in the blank. That’s fine, but whatever reason they give will be an example of causality, by definition. That’s the meaning of the word "because." It doesn’t even matter what they put at the end of the phrase – it’s still a cause.

Saying "I did it just because I wanted to," or "I did it just because I chose to," doesn’t help. It only pushes the question back a step, without answering it. Why did they want to? Why did they choose to? Again, they can either claim it was random, or they can give a cause. But neither option offers free will.

2. Chemicals have unequivocal effects on our brains.

If our decisions are not dependent on antecedent causes, then chemicals should not have any affect on them. This is obviously not a reflection of reality, but it’s the logical result of contra-causal free will. Drugs such as alcohol have a very noticeable effect on our cognitive abilities. For obvious reasons, some people don’t deny that this is true. But they also don’t explain why they believe that our decisions are subject to some physical causality (drugs), but not others (everything else in the world).

Some people tend to get lost in abstract concepts like emotions and wills, and forget that they ultimately have to explain their theory in the concrete terms of electrochemistry and neurons.

3. The most compelling evidence for determinism is the consistency of chemistry in general.

Chemicals reactions are unwavering in their predictability, both inside and outside of our bodies. Hydrocarbons don’t get to choose whether they’ll combust; enzymes don’t get to choose whether they’ll react with proteins; and our neurons don’t get to choose whether or not they’ll fire.

This reactive predictability is not optional. Atomic causality is an axiom upon which the scientific method rests. If one can’t depend on effects to have causes, then epistemological uncertainty becomes an ironic guarantee. Nothing could truly be proved or disproved. Our brains could theoretically produce gold out of thin air. And why not? If they can circumvent causality, then there’s no logical limit to what they could do. Some people would probably reject this claim immediately, but why? If they’re suggesting that there is a limit to the brain’s abilities, then what would it be, if not a causal limit?

4. Decisions are not real things; they’re behavioral models.

Cognitive activity is like other bodily activity: at every stage it is predicated on earlier chemistry. Decisions don’t just boot up and then dissipate like computers being switched on and off. Instead, they’re constantly producing, and being produced by previous activity and new input. Decisions develop. Our brains are uncontroversially in a state of constant feedback. Even when we logically believe that our brains are idle, they’re not. They’re always moving. They don’t even sleep the way we do. They’re as busy as ever, even when we’re out cold.

This point is subtle, but it’s crucial: What we call ‘decisions’ are not discrete items that we’ve somehow produced with our ‘wills’. Neither of those things is objectively real. Decisions are merely the latest articulated point in an unending cycle of cognitive activity, of which we do not have intellectual access.

5. No physical theory has been given to explain free will.

There is no hypothesis that physically explains free will. In fact, there isn’t even an empirically observable ‘free will’ to be explained. There is merely the sensation of free will, which compatibilists refer to as "volition." Such volition does not require contra-causal free will, and even if it’s not immediately intuitive, it remains perfectly explainable by physical biology.

[JoseQuinones]

All the "good intentions" are getting people killed. And those of us who want the young men to get off the dole and to do something productive with their lives are "hateful." If you don't understand why this is happening, you're either a woman and have no clue how the male mind operates, or you're a cloistered soyboy someone from a demographic who doesn't understand what it's like on the streets. Young men, left idle, are a force for self-destruction. They are ambitious, talented, and full of energy. Easy to manipulate, heedless of danger, invincible in their own minds. Force them to find a job, and they'll climb the ladder. Take away any incentive to push forward and they get bored. They turn to the excitement of the street.

Nearly 500 young men - almost all between the ages of 16 and 30 - have been gunned down in incidents just like this one in Puerto Rico this year. So far, 11 women have been murdered, and all the rest are young men. That's on top of 1000 last year, 1000 the year before, 1000 the year before. Since 1962, when the statistics at the Registro Demográfico started tracking narco deaths separately, we've seen over 70,000 narco murders.

Let that sink in.

Your "compassion" has killed an entire town of young men. Surely it's time to try something new.

[TryingNotToCringe]

Originally Posted by minka1 ↗

So every single person involved in this massacre...were residents of this housing complex? And not just that, but you have proof that each male involved were/are living off the dole?

Please provide proof of everything you have stated.

And someone else saying 16 year old children shouldn’t be on the dole? This is 2019, not c1900 where orphan children were nothing more than work horses.

Some of you are just beyond my comprehension. Perfect Hypocrites.


Y’all are the same whones who’ll still shit on black and brown people, their whole families, parents and even their children, working multiple jobs, putting their kids thru school, paying bills, and some needing and using assistance...not taking gross advantage of it.
Just doing their best to survive and care for their loved ones...and all you need to hear is they are using some sort of govt assistance to prove that these are worthless people.

Sick fuckers. Nothing said when it’s white people abusing every privilege they have. Lol. From the stinking rich to the lowliest poorest gutter white...silence.

How many of these videos seem to take place in white communities? If you're going to be racist, you might want to take a look in the mirror.

[Johndoe123]

One of those guys had a full auto hand gun, damn!

[FuManBoobs]

Looks like hurt two peoples feelings but they aren't smart enough to form a coherent reply. I am shocked.