[Splay]

More pussy cops, and one of them has an excuse. If a private citizen shot somebody under the same circumstances, they would go to prison. Learn to fight if you want to be a cop. Practice with the baton. Exercise some judgment. Don't go killing the people you are supposed to be helping. The guy was clearly not all there. He was also unarmed. Fucking pussies.

[Overlord86]

Originally Posted by Splay ↗

More pussy cops, and one of them has an excuse. If a private citizen shot somebody under the same circumstances, they would go to prison. Learn to fight if you want to be a cop. Practice with the baton. Exercise some judgment. Don't go killing the people you are supposed to be helping. The guy was clearly not all there. He was also unarmed. Fucking pussies.

As I said the shooting was justified but it was preventable.

O.C. may have been an option, but once the pain from the TASER hit, it was on. This is either excited delirium from acute cocaine intoxication or extreme mental illness.

Here is the problem, they tried to use too little force to begin with. Should have been quick, overwhelming force. That would mean a five man takedown and/or TASER w proper spread of the probes and/or using the TASER touch as the second point of contact somewhere below the waist.

Baton, absolutely not. The ASP looks horrible on video and leaves huge bruises after, but isn't enough pain compliance to work. PR-24 has a few joint locks that would have worked.

The perfect solution for this situation is the LVNR. It isn't a choke hold because it doesn't compress the trachea, but is often referred to as choking them out. The LVNR was removed from most department's use of force policies due to some deaths in cases like this. The LNVR doesn't kill them, but the drugs, normally cocaine, kills them.

The signs and symptoms for acute cocaine intoxication are violent behavior and altered level of consciousness as well as other signs like constricted pupils and hyperthermia. These signs and symptoms get called into who? Law Enforcement, sometime in good departments Law Enforcement and E.M.S. The problem is once the suspect is in this state, he is already dead unless he can be rapidly restrained and aggressive measures to cool them along with monitoring their hearts with an ECG are used. Most any use of force against them will raise the heart and/or body temperature causing death. Complaints, mostly from the Left, blamed the cops instead of listening to the medical examiners.
In response to these complaints, departments pulled the LVNR. Some departments are pulling the TASER.

Removing less lethal options from officers leaves them with their firearms.

The LNVR is great. They just go to sleep and the officers are in the position to cuff them before hitting them on the back to stimulate breathing again.

So complaining about situations like this are actually counter productive. Uneducated public outrage makes city leaders recoil and make hasty decisions.

[JustAnotherIdiot]

Look, I am not a fan of the police and I do not stand behind the “thin blue line” bullshit.

However Sean Connery said it best in “the untouchables”: “When your shift is over, make sure to go home alive”.

These police used escalating levels of force. They did right. They spoke to him, they tried to keep him down. They tried to forcibly keep him down. They tazed him, and when all else failed and he kept advancing towards him, they shot him.

When you use a gun you have one goal... to stop the threat. It is a last ditch attempt when other options have failed and you do it in the most efficient and effective means... chest shots. If the threat dies is of minor concern to the primary, which is to stop the threat.

I am a pacifist, and againsy violence. however I am also a gun owner. If I have to use my gun to protect myself or my family, I will do so without a single moment of hesitation. I also know I will probably spend the rest of my life in therapy because of such

[ShaunoftheDead]

Should've immediately taken back control instead of tasing an already agitated drunk/drugged up guy.
One thing I don't get is once he's fired multiple rounds into the guys chest and he is incapacitated he still feels the need to cover him, I think if you're that scared of physical confrontation and that anxious dealing with a seemingly unarmed person at that type of job, it's not good for you.
But wtvr the dude was acting fucking stupid if it was me I would've layed still.

[docfr8]

She missed that day in class on tazer use

Justified shooting of the emo dark side of harry potter crosses game of thrones character

[Overlord86]

Originally Posted by ShaunoftheDead ↗

Should've immediately taken back control instead of tasing an already agitated drunk/drugged up guy.
One thing I don't get is once he's fired multiple rounds into the guys chest and he is incapacitated he still feels the need to cover him, I think if you're that scared of physical confrontation and that anxious dealing with a seemingly unarmed person at that type of job, it's not good for you.
But wtvr the dude was acting fucking stupid if it was me I would've layed still.

Damned if he does damned if he doesn't. If he quick holstered his pistol after firing, he would have been called cold and heartless.

I know what happened once the suspect was down. The replays began in the officer's mind...replays that continue for at least a day. Interesting how it can seem to happen so fast, yet time slows to a crawl during. If he heard the gunshots, they sounded like they were fired a mile away. The mind shuts out info not needed at the time. He might hear them in one of the replays.

There are no winners in this situation.

[Overlord86]

Originally Posted by docfr8 ↗

She missed that day in class on tazer use

Justified shooting of the emo dark side of harry potter crosses game of thrones character

She missed a number of days in class.

[Omegas3]

Originally Posted by RUTHIE7 ↗

In my opinion the cops most definately overreacted.

SERIOUSLY... WTF!?

If he was black, we all know you'd be saying different, cunt.

[Overlord86]

Originally Posted by Omegas3 ↗

If he was black, we all know you'd be saying different, cunt.

I wouldn't.

[JustAnotherIdiot]

Originally Posted by Overlord86 ↗

As I said the shooting was justified but it was preventable.

Here is the problem, they tried to use too little force to begin with. Should have been quick, overwhelming force. That would mean a five man takedown and/or TASER w proper spread of the probes and/or using the TASER touch as the second point of contact somewhere below the waist.

1) there were only two people on scene when this occurred. There is not enough funding of police departments to send a 5 person team

2). He already brushed off two taser shots. Getting up close to do a taser touch was not the solution. My CCW course was sponsored by TASER, and part of our course was a demonstration of the taser... guess who the volunteer was... anyone who can withstand that jolt is not going down with any less than lethal means.