[exdeath]

Originally Posted by ironmike ↗

the following is CONSTRUCTIVE dialog.

I'm a believer a person has the right to own a firearm. I own one. That said, do people need to have assault rifles with large mags? No

"I own a revolver or shot gun therefore I support gun rights...but..."

No thanks Fudd.

[exdeath]

Same with politicians. If you want my approval show me your AR15 like Winsome Sears. Bonus points if its a BCM, DD, KAC, ADM, Radian, Sionics etc because it tells me you actually know and shoot your AR15s and didn't just go buy the first $350 no name brand to take pictures with.

If you pose to be a 2A supporter while wearing a orange vest and hunting ducks with a break open wood shotgun over your shoulder you lose ALL 2A credibility. You are exactly who does NOT represent 2A or gun enthusiasts. Go away.

[jbdatx]

Originally Posted by exdeath ↗

You'd call me a tyrant and rightly so for what I see as needing to be done to fix it.

No more gun free zones, close the borders, and zero tolerance on third world male machisimo and ghetto life worship. Personal accountability and responsibility will take the forefront.

Eliminate Democrat control of schools and media allowing and encouraging the values and poverty and lack of self reliance that lead to that lifestyle.

Eliminate the stigma against mental health so people can get it without their life and record being permanently stained.

It took 40+ years to get here, it's not going away over night.

2A is 200+ years old but mass shooting phenomenon is 30 yrs old. So then you know it's not a gun problem but a culture problem.

Charles Whitman shot 30+ people in Austin in 1966, the mass shooting phenomenon goes back way farther than 30 years. Did you pull that number out of your ass where you found all that other nonsense you state so authoritatively? Of course it's a gun problem, we banned assault rifles for 10 years and nobody came for anyone's guns, just because the gun fetishists are paranoid doesn't mean we have to care about their feelings. If you can't imagine living in a country where clips over 10 rounds are illegal you don't belong in a society in the first place. Trump banned bump stocks after the Vegas massacre and the sky didn't fall, Obama never mentioned banning any guns, yet gun nuts think someone is coming after them. At some point the grownups have to take the asylum back from the inmates.

[exdeath]

Originally Posted by jbdatx ↗

Charles Whitman shot 30+ people in Austin in 1966, the mass shooting phenomenon goes back way farther than 30 years. Did you pull that number out of your ass where you found all that other nonsense you state so authoritatively? Of course it's a gun problem, we banned assault rifles for 10 years and nobody came for anyone's guns, just because the gun fetishists are paranoid doesn't mean we have to care about their feelings. If you can't imagine living in a country where clips over 10 rounds are illegal you don't belong in a society in the first place. Trump banned bump stocks after the Vegas massacre and the sky didn't fall, Obama never mentioned banning any guns, yet gun nuts think someone is coming after them. At some point the grownups have to take the asylum back from the inmates.

First it's 10 then it's 7, then it's no detachable magazines at all.

Then it's no more buying or registering new ones after 20XX, then no more transferring, then no more grandfathering. Same page from the same book as the machine gun ban as if we'd ever fall for it again.

Quit being intentionally deceptive.

Bullshit, Obama pushed for a ban his entire second term 2012+ then stamped his feet like a toddler and signed retaliatory exec orders when he didn't get his way.

Obama didn't fail for lack of wanting or trying. He played safe on his first term to secure re-election for mote controversial agenda items but didn't count on Republicans taking congress from him in 2012 which completely and totally cock blocked dems anti gun plans.

It doesn't matter any more. Talking about it gave way to mass proliferation a long time ago. Get as many out there as we can, pump pump pump. Too late to ban them now. Also SCOTUS says FU.

I think you have bigger problems too worry about soon anyway like open source AI target recognition and drone swarms and other autonomous weapons police won't be able to outnumber and shoot back at when the public turns on them for infringing.

[exdeath]

Not to mention more and more people finally seeing the value of 2A qnd defending against multiple armed attackers thanks to leftards lawlessness these past 4 years. Despite recent mass shootings support for AWB is still at an all time low.

[exdeath]

How these idiots can keep a straight face lying through their teeth that nobody is coming for your guns when we have politicians saying hell yes we are coming for your AR15s.

[exdeath]

Originally Posted by jbdatx ↗

Charles Whitman shot 30+ people in Austin in 1966,

With a hunting rifle and shot guns. Not a single AR47 or AK15 or super dooper humongous clipazines. Imagine that.

You understand this example counters the argument for semi auto bans and magazine limits target than supporting it?

It makes the perfect point that there is nothing particular special about AR15s other than that they became the cheapest and most mass produced and accessible rifle in 2004 due to pent up demand following the stupid AWB you love so much. Grats on making them more cheap and accessible!

Dude kills 30 people with a bolt action hunting rifle and your solution is ban semi autos and limit magazine capacities. Typical dem viewpoint.

Mass stabbing? Quick we must act and ban AR15s!

[Dr_Jackal]

Originally Posted by Deastergard ↗

EXCELLENT. Absolutely wonderfully put. This is how I try to explain it but it never comes out that perfectly. Well done.

I really appreciate your kind words. We forget that historically, homicides have been decreasing globally, which is good and also that such scumbags as this person have and will always exist and target innocents. Said innocents are better off having someone on hand to defend them (the children) or having the option to arm themselves.

What's often ignored in the 2A conversation is the duty that others are willing to take up to preserve life in the worst of circumstances and I can think of little worse than what this evil, coward did.

It's not about bravado, or rather shouldn't be, but rather about protecting innocents from predators, be they lone, evil, individuals or agents of the state.

[ironmike]

Originally Posted by Dr_Jackal ↗

I really appreciate your kind words. We forget that historically, homicides have been decreasing globally, which is good and also that such scumbags as this person have and will always exist and target innocents. Said innocents are better off having someone on hand to defend them (the children) or having the option to arm themselves.

What's often ignored in the 2A conversation is the duty that others are willing to take up to preserve life in the worst of circumstances and I can think of little worse than what this evil, coward did.

It's not about bravado, or rather shouldn't be, but rather about protecting innocents from predators, be they lone, evil, individuals or agents of the state.

Dr. J - good thoughts and bravo for being able to express them without kicking other posters in the balls (I didn't read every single post, so if you did kick someone, I stand corrected).

I think we have some political candidates among those that have commented. Claiming to have the answers with no SENSIBLE implementation plans and name calling seem to be the two prime qualifications to hold an office.

And for the record, I don't have the answers. I liken gun violence in this country like a cancer. Caught early, there's a chance. Once widespread, you're dicked. Guess what.. it's widespread.

[SimoneFlen']

Originally Posted by SamuraiDes ↗

Is this the first ever female shooter

Surely you've heard of Brenda Spencer?!