[Killgaad]

at does not appear to be a legitimate defensive action—and I'm all for domestic victims' rights.

A person should leave a relationship at the first sign of violencn—on either side—and report it to the police and file a restraining order.

Violence which is tolerated and allowed to fester can only beget more and worse violence, and at some point, as in this case—tragedy.

[Killgaad]

typo: "throat"/"violence."

[SimoneFlen']

Originally Posted by Killgaad ↗

at does not appear to be a legitimate defensive action—and I'm all for domestic victims' rights.

A person should leave a relationship at the first sign of violencn—on either side—and report it to the police and file a restraining order.

Violence which is tolerated and allowed to fester can only beget more and worse violence, and at some point, as in this case—tragedy.

I agree, but it really isn't always as easy as that. As we have seen here way too many times, leaving an abusive relationship can enrage the other person so much, that they murder their ex.

[Watcher===]

Well good luck to her. I know they're full of animal passions out there but judging by that nasty scar, seems she's been in the wars already and could take no more shit.

[samipiggy]

don't date a teenage boy!

[William May]

Originally Posted by hunterseeker ↗

I've seen enough of 90 day fiance Colt's Brazilian wife Larissa and his rebound Brazilian gf to know that they are feisty, his mistake to try to hit her when she's armed ::

Dangerous to hit a Brazilian woman even when she is NOT armed.
Unless she giggles when you spank her. Then you are probably safe.

[Karma]

Originally Posted by Killgaad ↗

at does not appear to be a legitimate defensive action—and I'm all for domestic victims' rights.

A person should leave a relationship at the first sign of violencn—on either side—and report it to the police and file a restraining order.

Violence which is tolerated and allowed to fester can only beget more and worse violence, and at some point, as in this case—tragedy.

It’s not always possible to just “leave” an abusive or toxic relationship. Most people have lots of things to consider but lack any real options. Until breaking point. And this is the result. He deserved it if he was abusing her.

[Killgaad]

Originally Posted by Simone ↗

I agree, but it really isn't always as easy as that. As we have seen here way too many times, leaving an abusive relationship can enrage the other person so much, that they murder their ex.

Yes, I can see what you're saying... and I agree too... it's a double-edged sword... indeed, it can be very difficult and risky when dealing with a very volatile and abusive person.

Yet I'm still convinced there are telltale signs stemming from preceeding verbal abuse early on, because though it goes hand-in-hand with physical abuse, I'm assuming there must have been some form of verbal disrespect (which denotes low reputation and predicts future trouble) before any actual hitting—perhaps weeks or days before.

But I do agree that not everyone has a keen eye for that, plus some people even tolerate abuse because of physical attraction or initial submissiveness towards the perpetrator, or who knows what else—but nevertheless may become fed up later on and lash out.

Even though theoretically it is possible that both lives might have been saved if she had left at that incipient time in their relationship—one just never can tell for sure—so yes, you are correct, it is possible HE could have harmed/killed HER even that early instead, had she left.

Tough pickle.

My premise was based on the notion that not every abuser is a killer, and vice versa, and though some (not excluding myself) may say that this guy here deserved it—I don't know to what extent it really improved her situation, especially if he was the type who only hits, but would not kill.

I believe in lawful, measured and prudent preemptive actions, and I know you do too.
If he was not a killer, one can argue that she's evidently in a much worse situation now, than before—if she ends up going to prison.

Hindsight is always a bitch.

So I agree, who can tell if he was a killer or not—until that final moment?

I write like this, because even though I may talk shit when I get pissed off—at my core I'm actually a hundred percent guided by reason.

I respect your opinion very much; my hunch is that she reacted in anger, with vengeance, to make up for what she suffered—in a fateful moment of rage.

Frankly, the only reason I was reticent is because when someone lunges for the throat, with a knife, even in self-defense, it shows intent to kill. Getting out of that situation seems to have been like a much better alternative, unless he was attacking her with a dangerous object. There is also the possibility that he was not abusing her physically 'at that particular time,' but he was abusing her verbally, and perhaps that's why she completely lost it—his putative attitude ostensibly being the straw that broke the camel's back.

Either way, remaining in a relationship like that can only exacerbate pent-up emotion and smoldering, suppressed rage at any time, by default, since it comes with the territory, as it were—which can eventually percolate, explode and end up in killing, as it did here.

A tragedy, whichever way one looks at it.

Regards, Simone.

[Killgaad]

And regards to you too, Karma.

I see where you ladies are coming from, but all I'm saying is that *unless* he threatened her life 'at that particular moment,' what she did was not lawful, and obviously has legal consequences.
Prior abuse, as despicable as it is—which I vehemently abhor, btw—does not entitle a person to kill in retribution, but only in self-defense, under duress, and in fear for loss of life—simply because death is not an appropriate penalty—legally or otherwise—for the crime of domestic violence.
Furthermore, even a long-suffering victim of physical abuse is not legally or morally entitled to assume the position of judge, jury and executioner—and as such, abuse-induced rage may not constitute an affirmative defense in court, especially when the victim kills the abuser. The only caveat/proviso here—and qualifier—is whether her life was truly in danger at that moment.
Whether he deserved it or not is not something that the legal system will concern itself with—because it is a subjective notion.

Personally, I think justice would have been better served if he did prison time, or say, paying a certain sizable percentage of his wages to victims' rights organizations—and to his girlfriend.

Sadly, it's now too late for these two.

And yes, at least she's alive—because I admit, the flip side of the coin is that it is not impossible that he could have killed her at some point, either.


Regards to you both.

[kellyhound]

think she's better off in jail instead of that ongoing nightmare relationship as other inmates will understand why she did it.