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Originally Posted by IvorySmith ↗

And as much as I like to think that I'm objective

"2. You're wrong about what the Dea said, and I didn't even check the other sources"

No, you're just a retard...

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

If you can't debate this subject without calling each other names, take it to the watercooler, please.

What debate...?

There was no debate. I knew I was right. That's not a debate.

[vulturedoors]

I concur that these are not overdose incidents, but panic attacks or some other psychosomatic response by the officers. I'm not saying they're not real -- clearly they are in genuine distress. But it's not from drugs.

There just isn't any scientific evidence that skin contact can cause an OD. It certainly may have an effect, but that's not the same thing.

[Caf002]

People can overdose on fentanyl patches if the capsule breaks.

[mr_feelgood]

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

If you can't debate this subject without calling each other names, take it to the watercooler, please.

I believed the hype (cops, authorities, government, media) about this until very recently when I researched it. Ok, I asked ChatGPT.


Thank you
Question:
Is it true what cops say — that it takes very little fentanyl absorbed through the skin to kill you? I feel like it's fear-mongering.

Answer:
You're absolutely right to be skeptical — the claim that touching or being near fentanyl can easily kill you is largely exaggerated and not backed by scientific evidence. This idea has been widely circulated, especially by some law enforcement and media outlets, but toxicologists and medical experts have consistently pushed back against it.

Here’s what the science says:

- Fentanyl does not absorb through the skin easily. It is a very potent opioid, but dermal absorption is extremely slow. It takes extended contact and usually a transdermal delivery system (like a medical patch) — combined with heat and enhancers — to begin delivering a therapeutic dose over hours.

- Brief or casual contact with powdered fentanyl (such as touching it or being near it) is very unlikely to result in harmful exposure, let alone an overdose. Accidental skin exposure can be washed off with soap and water without issue.

- Inhalation of airborne fentanyl dust in a confined space can theoretically pose a risk — but even that would require a very specific, high-concentration exposure scenario. It’s not something that would happen just by being in the same room as someone carrying it.

Why do these exaggerated claims persist?

- Fear-based training: Some police training programs overstate the risks to emphasize caution.

- Media dramatization: News stories that show officers "overdosing" after touching fentanyl get more attention than mundane facts.

- Misinformation: A misunderstanding of how opioids work — many of the reported "overdoses" in these cases have been attributed by experts to panic attacks, hyperventilation, or stress responses, not actual opioid toxicity.

Expert Consensus:
Organizations like the American College of Medical Toxicology (ACMT) and the American Academy of Clinical Toxicology (AACT) have published joint position papers stating clearly:



Bottom Line:
No — it is not true that a tiny amount of fentanyl on the skin is likely to kill someone. That’s fear-mongering. While caution is justified when handling potent substances, science and calm protocols should lead, not panic.

=====

Question:
Is it possible at all to be affected by skin contact with fentanyl, and if so, how much and how long?

Answer:
Yes, it is technically possible to be affected by fentanyl through skin contact — but only under very specific, prolonged, and unlikely conditions. Here's what the science says:

Fentanyl is not readily absorbed through intact skin. It's extremely unlikely to cause any effect — let alone overdose — from touching a small amount briefly.

Here’s what would have to happen for skin exposure to matter:

- You’d need a large amount of fentanyl in contact with your skin.

- It would need to stay there for an extended period — we’re talking 30+ minutes, uninterrupted.

- Your skin would likely need to be damaged, moist, or broken to even begin to absorb meaningful amounts.

- The fentanyl would have to be in a form that facilitates absorption — like a gel, patch, or solution — not dry powder.

Example:
Fentanyl patches used medically are designed with absorption enhancers and require multiple hours of direct contact to deliver even a controlled therapeutic dose.

According to toxicologists:


In short:
Casual skin contact is not a risk. Wash your hands with soap and water if you’re exposed, and you’re fine. No need for Narcan. No need for panic.

=====

Question:
What about accidental inhalation of fentanyl other than directly snorting it on purpose? If so, how much would it take?

Answer:
Yes, accidental inhalation of fentanyl is possible — but it’s extremely unlikely to happen under normal conditions, and even harder for it to reach a dangerous dose unless you're in a very specific scenario.

Here’s what toxicologists and hazmat experts say:

- Fentanyl must be airborne and in fine powder form to be inhaled.

- A tiny bit of powder sitting on a table or stuck to your clothes is not going to become airborne unless disturbed — and even then, it doesn't linger like smoke or gas.

- To inhale enough fentanyl to cause overdose, you’d need a high concentration of it in the air, in a confined, unventilated space, over a period of time.

- Realistically, this type of exposure would only happen during bulk processing or manufacturing without proper protective equipment — not from casual or incidental contact with drugs on a person or surface.

How much is needed to overdose from inhalation?

- There is no single "lethal dose" for fentanyl because it depends on tolerance, body weight, and form. But experts say even a few milligrams would need to be directly inhaled and absorbed rapidly into the bloodstream — which is almost impossible to do by accident unless you intentionally snort it.

- For context: people prescribed fentanyl nasal sprays are dosed in measured micrograms — and even then, it takes multiple doses for a therapeutic effect.

In short:

- You’re not going to inhale a fatal dose of fentanyl by walking past someone carrying it, being near it, or handling small amounts unless you're in a rare industrial-level exposure situation.

- No — it doesn’t "instantly go airborne and kill you" like some fear-based claims suggest.

If you’re ever exposed to a powder you suspect is fentanyl:
Don’t panic. Step back. Avoid stirring it up. Wash hands. Ventilate the area. That’s it.

[mr_feelgood]

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

If you can't debate this subject without calling each other names, take it to the watercooler, please.

I believed the hype (cops, authorities, government, media) about this until very recently when I researched it. Ok, I asked ChatGPT.


Thank you
Question:
Is it true what cops say — that it takes very little fentanyl absorbed through the skin to kill you? I feel like it's fear-mongering.

Answer:
You're absolutely right to be skeptical — the claim that touching or being near fentanyl can easily kill you is largely exaggerated and not backed by scientific evidence. This idea has been widely circulated, especially by some law enforcement and media outlets, but toxicologists and medical experts have consistently pushed back against it.

Here’s what the science says:

- Fentanyl does not absorb through the skin easily. It is a very potent opioid, but dermal absorption is extremely slow. It takes extended contact and usually a transdermal delivery system (like a medical patch) — combined with heat and enhancers — to begin delivering a therapeutic dose over hours.

- Brief or casual contact with powdered fentanyl (such as touching it or being near it) is very unlikely to result in harmful exposure, let alone an overdose. Accidental skin exposure can be washed off with soap and water without issue.

- Inhalation of airborne fentanyl dust in a confined space can theoretically pose a risk — but even that would require a very specific, high-concentration exposure scenario. It’s not something that would happen just by being in the same room as someone carrying it.

Why do these exaggerated claims persist?

- Fear-based training: Some police training programs overstate the risks to emphasize caution.

- Media dramatization: News stories that show officers "overdosing" after touching fentanyl get more attention than mundane facts.

- Misinformation: A misunderstanding of how opioids work — many of the reported "overdoses" in these cases have been attributed by experts to panic attacks, hyperventilation, or stress responses, not actual opioid toxicity.

Expert Consensus:
Organizations like the American College of Medical Toxicology (ACMT) and the American Academy of Clinical Toxicology (AACT) have published joint position papers stating clearly:



Bottom Line:
No — it is not true that a tiny amount of fentanyl on the skin is likely to kill someone. That’s fear-mongering. While caution is justified when handling potent substances, science and calm protocols should lead, not panic.

=====

Question:
Is it possible at all to be affected by skin contact with fentanyl, and if so, how much and how long?

Answer:
Yes, it is technically possible to be affected by fentanyl through skin contact — but only under very specific, prolonged, and unlikely conditions. Here's what the science says:

Fentanyl is not readily absorbed through intact skin. It's extremely unlikely to cause any effect — let alone overdose — from touching a small amount briefly.

Here’s what would have to happen for skin exposure to matter:

- You’d need a large amount of fentanyl in contact with your skin.

- It would need to stay there for an extended period — we’re talking 30+ minutes, uninterrupted.

- Your skin would likely need to be damaged, moist, or broken to even begin to absorb meaningful amounts.

- The fentanyl would have to be in a form that facilitates absorption — like a gel, patch, or solution — not dry powder.

Example:
Fentanyl patches used medically are designed with absorption enhancers and require multiple hours of direct contact to deliver even a controlled therapeutic dose.

According to toxicologists:


In short:
Casual skin contact is not a risk. Wash your hands with soap and water if you’re exposed, and you’re fine. No need for Narcan. No need for panic.

=====

Question:
What about accidental inhalation of fentanyl other than directly snorting it on purpose? If so, how much would it take?

Answer:
Yes, accidental inhalation of fentanyl is possible — but it’s extremely unlikely to happen under normal conditions, and even harder for it to reach a dangerous dose unless you're in a very specific scenario.

Here’s what toxicologists and hazmat experts say:

- Fentanyl must be airborne and in fine powder form to be inhaled.

- A tiny bit of powder sitting on a table or stuck to your clothes is not going to become airborne unless disturbed — and even then, it doesn't linger like smoke or gas.

- To inhale enough fentanyl to cause overdose, you’d need a high concentration of it in the air, in a confined, unventilated space, over a period of time.

- Realistically, this type of exposure would only happen during bulk processing or manufacturing without proper protective equipment — not from casual or incidental contact with drugs on a person or surface.

How much is needed to overdose from inhalation?

- There is no single "lethal dose" for fentanyl because it depends on tolerance, body weight, and form. But experts say even a few milligrams would need to be directly inhaled and absorbed rapidly into the bloodstream — which is almost impossible to do by accident unless you intentionally snort it.

- For context: people prescribed fentanyl nasal sprays are dosed in measured micrograms — and even then, it takes multiple doses for a therapeutic effect.

In short:

- You’re not going to inhale a fatal dose of fentanyl by walking past someone carrying it, being near it, or handling small amounts unless you're in a rare industrial-level exposure situation.

- No — it doesn’t "instantly go airborne and kill you" like some fear-based claims suggest.

If you’re ever exposed to a powder you suspect is fentanyl:
Don’t panic. Step back. Avoid stirring it up. Wash hands. Ventilate the area. That’s it.

Thank you **

[shmeegle]

total BS